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blusnowkitty:
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@blusnowkitty - you may be interested to know that in the manual I received, a reference is made to the clipart being on "One 5 1/4-inch diskette or two 3 1/2-inch microdiskettes (Parts A and B)", so it does seem like this clipart package did make it onto the Lisa 2. The hunt continues...
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Just found a copy of Art Department for the Lisa 2 over here as part of this package deal: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Lisa-2-10-w-keyboard-mouse-software-manuals-books-and-extras/393235786106
Seller won't split anything up unfortunately.
rayarachelian:
--- Quote from: blusnowkitty on April 06, 2021, 02:35:34 pm ---
Just found a copy of Art Department for the Lisa 2 over here as part of this package deal: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Lisa-2-10-w-keyboard-mouse-software-manuals-books-and-extras/393235786106
Seller won't split anything up unfortunately.
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That Lisa's a bit overpriced, but going by ebay prices a full set of the LOS manuals + disks is somewhere between $300-$500, but the disk folder's spine is ripped at the top and the labels are getting eaten off by the glue - not sure what the value of Art Department is. That older Owner's Guide is worth maybe $150.
Not sure about MacWorks, but it's not MacWorks II+ so not quite all that much. Maybe another $150?
Not sure how much the keyboard shortcuts are worth, though I don't see the full set in the photos, just one. There should be 3.
That's a Lisa 1 mouse, which is worth $500-$900 in ebay prices.
The good news is that this is a 2/10 so it won't have the leak issue, though I really question $3.5K for a dead Lisa. The odds of the Widget working are low.
The odds of the power supply being repairable by recapping is high, but still annoying.
The keyboard would be worth $200-$300 (if it was fully rebuilt with all the keys working.)
The missing apple logo on the faceplate is not great, would cost you $100-$200 for a new faceplate.
It's also missing the front feet, those could be replaced with non-authentic ones for a couple of bucks.
But who knows if something else is terribly wrong, like maybe the analog board.
So it's not a terrible deal, but it's certainly not a good one either. It might be worth buying, fixing, and reselling, but for $3.5K? That's a bit of a stretch there.
Yes, I see there's a crazy person who's listed a Lisa 2 for $9K. Not sure about the math on that one, but it's not from this reality.
rayarachelian:
Looks like that Lisa with the 3.5" Art Dept. floppies is being sold by MJ Posner, and he's lowered the price to a more reasonable value. Looking again at the description of all the included stuff, I think it's worth getting if anyone here is looking for a good chunk of Lisa items. (So I'm adding a reply to update my original assessment from above.)
Just be sure you're able to do the soldering needed to recapping the power supply. (That's not actually hard since it's all through-hole.) Likely a full set of capacitors would be under $50 and would take an hour or two depending on your soldering skills.
It may be possible the Widget is completely toast, he mentions a connector failure, but it could be much worse. Sadly Widgets aren't always easy to fix or as reliable as ProFiles.
It could be as simple as blowing the dust out of it and cleaning the edge connectors, or reseating the large square chip in its socket (which is known to gather dirt under it), or freeing the spindle motor by hand, or fixing the gap in the clamp brake, which are very easy fixes. Or it could be needing to replace some of the boards on the Widget, or catastrophically, the optical track sensor has fallen off internally. So that's an unknown.
Most likely, unless you're trying to recover whatever data may be on that Widget (which I'd encourage you to do - never know what goodies you'll find not on the included floppies), you're better off with an Aphid/X/ProFile/IDE:File, (and a FloppyEmu with the switch option.) So factor in that you'd likely spend another $100-$500 to make this Lisa fly.
But all the included original items (manuals, disks, etc. keyboard with pull out cheat-sheets, Lisa 1 Mouse, ) make it worth it, and especially since this is a 2/10 and not a 2/5, there's no leaky NiCADs to have caused huge damage to the I/O board, so it's probably a decent price for all the included extras.
I already have 4 Lisas (all of them needing some repairs, mostly to the analog boards and all but two needing power supply recapping) and am paying off my toy budget credit card, so not going to buy this myself, but in case someone here wants a 2nd Lisa or even first Lisa, it's not a bad choice.
DAVID CRAIG:
Ray wrote about LISAPAINT being a Lisa program he would like too see. Me too.
I believe LisaPaint was called LisaSketch when BILL ATKINSON wrote this on the Lisa as a testbed for his QUICKDRAW graphics packet. I don't know if SKTECH evolved into PAINT, but suspect it was mostly re-written for the Macintosh.
Suggest contacting BILL ATKINSON and seeing if he could find and ask Apple to release LISASKETCH source. See attached CHM interview.
~ David Craig
~ Cochiti Lake, New Mexico, USA
~ dtc.bayern [at] gmail.com
blusnowkitty:
Somewhat exciting news tonight. While searching for more serial numbers, I came across a listing for what I think is a 2/10 that was loaded with the BPI Systems General Accounting package that was briefly mentioned in the 1984 sales binder.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/apple-lisa-powers-software-1947564050
ETA: XENIX 2.3 for Lisa 1 has also been found. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1983-apple-computer-xenix-lisa-1-1903057713
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