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rayarachelian

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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2021, 05:46:09 pm »

Just posted a small summary of parts of "The Steve I knew" - John Couch said it was closer to 100K units, but so far we don't see any above 13K AppleNet wise. Hmmm.

https://lisalist2.com/index.php/topic,203.msg1553.html#msg1553
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2021, 08:05:22 pm »

Ray, does this Lisa have the same AppleNet No as one of your Lisa's? If so this would indicate that the Applenet No is perhaps not unique?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RI4AAOSwgZdg2hZX/s-l1600.jpg
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304059895907

SN: A3245610, AppleNet: 00104218, MFG: 3245 - this was also a recent buy off ebay, severely damaged due to battery leak, had a 30MB SunRem hard drive.
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2021, 10:27:06 pm »

Ray, does this Lisa have the same AppleNet No as one of your Lisa's? If so this would indicate that the Applenet No is perhaps not unique?

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RI4AAOSwgZdg2hZX/s-l1600.jpg
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304059895907

SN: A3245610, AppleNet: 00104218, MFG: 3245 - this was also a recent buy off ebay, severely damaged due to battery leak, had a 30MB SunRem hard drive.

I don't think that AppleNet matches any of mine, just did a search of that google sheet and it's not in there. I added all of mine there (except for the spare CPU boards)
It is possible that there were duplicates, but I'm not aware of any. I'd imagine that duplicates would be bad for networking in a hypothetical large corporation purchase, but yeah, even ethernet Mac addresses were known to be faked and duplicated when certain brands didn't want to pay the IEEE or whatever.

Nah, as far as the AppleNets go it does match to what you put in as Machine A3245610... so this is curious, do we have a genuine from-the-factory Applenet conflict?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2021, 10:28:54 pm by blusnowkitty »
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2021, 10:00:26 am »

Interesting. I think I see why I didn't find it, I hit control-f but probably had javascript off for one of the google domains, so FireFox's find didn't find that AN#, however, when I turned it on and do a find from the find field inside of the spreadsheet it does find it. That is very weird. I'll have to go through my Lisas again to confirm it wasn't a typo on my part.
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2021, 06:39:23 pm »

Ok, so it's confirmed, there's at least one duplicate AppleNet, this one is a 2/10 that had MacWorks with Minifinder on the widget that I got off ebay ~August 2018. The previous owner got it from an estate sale; it had files indicating a family on Long Island owned it in the mid-late 1980s - this is the one that had that copy of Lotus Jazz on it.

But if there really are 10x more Lisas than the 13K, there should be a lot more duplicate AppleNets, and we don't see that. However, since there is one black swan, there could be more. The big issue then is how many?

So the serial numbers aren't sequential but likely unique and the AppleNets are supposedly sequential, but now we find they're not unique. Ow!
WTF was apple (not) thinking!
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2021, 07:47:10 pm »

Thanks for confirming that Ray.

The eBay UK listing I linked to also indicates that machine was "Assembled in Ireland" on the model/memory option sticker (rather than Made in USA), and the model number ends in P presumably to indicate that Lisa was fitted with a 240 volt power supply.

I assume the programmed VSROM and serial number sticker were likely produced in the US factory, as the plant number is the well-known B08B in the serial number, and therefore a different plant number did not need to be assigned to the factory in Ireland assembling Lisa's for the European markets.
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2021, 08:04:06 pm »

I wonder if the duplication of the AppleNets is allowed between the A and B serialnumbers or maybe 2/5s vs 2/10s or maybe an accident. Hard to say since we have only a single black swan to look at. :(

I'd expect if there were 100K vs 13K Lisae that we'd see more AppleNet number conflicts - like the birthday problem it should show up more often rather than just once. Then again birthdays are 1-365(366) but AppleNet numbers are 001xxxxx so 5 digits long vs 3 and that spreadsheet is a bit small at the moment.
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2022, 07:37:23 am »

Here are 2 more:

2/10
SN: A4283131
Applenet: 00106259
Manf: 4283

2/5
SN: B08B831250030
Applenet: 00102092
Manf: 83125

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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2022, 06:15:58 pm »

Just posted another 12 or so SNs to the list, most from the Facebook Lisa group.

Tom, found another Lisa 1 made the same day as yours!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/abeles/2289666821/in/photostream/

-J
« Last Edit: January 26, 2022, 06:23:58 pm by compu_85 »
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2022, 07:17:26 am »

Just posted another 12 or so SNs to the list, most from the Facebook Lisa group.

Tom, found another Lisa 1 made the same day as yours!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/abeles/2289666821/in/photostream/

-J

So that one (from the photo) has S/N: B08B831590572, AppleNet 00102973, if they're sequential that means at least ~3000 Lisa 1s were made. Date 83159 so mid way to 1983. That helps with the Lisa 1 vs 2, 2/5, conversion vs 2/10 breakdown.
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2022, 09:25:01 am »

Found a few more doing reverse image searches, and also some searching on Bing *shudders*

I was also emailed a SN that matches up with another 2/10 from the same production day:
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A4283090 00106226 4283 2/10 eBay
A4283131 00106259 4283 2/10 eMail

We've collected a few more of these "same day" systems, even a 2/5 and 2/10 on the same day:
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A4186213 00106573 4186 2/10
A4186227 00106587 4186 2/5

B08B820200058 00100067 82020
B08B820200262 00100271 82020 2/5
B08B820200384 00100393 82020 1/5?
B08B820200810 00100819 82020 2/5

        00107213 4300
A4300094 00107296 4300 2/10

A3325240 00107810 3325
A3325337 00107907 3325 2/5

A3333018 00108066 3333 2/5
A3333411 00108459 3333 2/5

A4331455 00109634 4331 2/10
A4331476 00109655 4331

B08B831240025 00102025 83124 1/5
B08B831240031 00102031 83124 2/5

B08B831250030 00102092 83125 2/5
B08B831250111 00102173 83125 2/5
B08B831250416 00102478 83125
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2022, 05:16:37 pm »

Tom, found another Lisa 1 made the same day as yours!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/abeles/2289666821/in/photostream/

Ha, neat. I've seen that photostream before; never realised that it was a computer with the same birthday :)
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2022, 02:37:02 pm »

I added SNs of systems from the System Source and VCF museums.

If I'm doing the math properly, that brings the estimate to just 11,333 systems!

-J
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2022, 03:04:32 pm »

Here are mine:

Purchased at VCF West:
Serial No: A4159081
Applenet: 00104924
Manufactured: 4159

Purchased on eBay:
Serial No: A3245034
Applenet: 00103642
Manufactured: 3245
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Re: Lisa Tank Problem
« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2022, 09:52:20 pm »

Are those both 2/5's ?
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