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Lisa Tank Problem
blusnowkitty:
--- Quote from: sigma7 on February 07, 2023, 06:41:40 pm ---I think that there wasn't any difference between a Lisa 2/10 and a Macintosh XL other than the name, so there was nothing to convert. Maybe MacWorks was bundled with the XL, but that's a separate box.
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I was under the impression that those sold as a Macintosh XL also had the MacWorks ROM set and the square pixel transformer installed, not that you couldn't remove those and go back to Lisa ROMs. Sounds like I'm wrong!
D.Finni:
--- Quote from: sigma7 on February 07, 2023, 06:23:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: D.Finni on February 07, 2023, 11:06:57 am ---What's the source of this number, 2700? Has it been verified?
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I haven't found an AAPL annual report for 1989 that might have an official number.
IIRC, in 1989/1990, the actual number disposed of was ambiguous/mysterious/secret.
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This would be a great question to bring up now with the Lisa source release. Actually why not ask Couch or someone in the know from the Lisa team for the total number manufactured?
compu_85:
This sounds like a job for BitsaversMan!
sigma7:
--- Quote from: blusnowkitty on February 08, 2023, 09:29:52 am ---
--- Quote from: sigma7 on February 07, 2023, 06:41:40 pm ---I think that there wasn't any difference between a Lisa 2/10 and a Macintosh XL other than the name, so there was nothing to convert. Maybe MacWorks was bundled with the XL, but that's a separate box.
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I was under the impression that those sold as a Macintosh XL also had the MacWorks ROM set and the square pixel transformer installed, not that you couldn't remove those and go back to Lisa ROMs. Sounds like I'm wrong!
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I believe Sun Remarketing was selling a "Macintosh XL" with the square pixel mod (and Kalok hard drive and Chinon 800k floppy drive, and the broken I/O ROM :) ), so you're not wrong.
I should have qualified that I think they were the same for the brief period that Apple was selling the Macintosh XL.
fri0701:
--- Quote from: D.Finni on February 08, 2023, 11:55:43 am ---This would be a great question to bring up now with the Lisa source release. Actually why not ask Couch or someone in the know from the Lisa team for the total number manufactured?
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Even John Couch has been pretty inconsistent with this number.
I don't have access to his book right now, but in a past thread, Ray mentioned that Couch says "just over 100,000 units were produced": https://lisalist2.com/index.php/topic,203.msg1550.html#msg1550
In the CHM event at the end of last month, he said on video "We did sell 50,000 computers" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCvQbGXPtBU @18:45)
...both of which still sound pretty far off from the numbers we're seeing from the tank problem analysis.
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