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fri0701:
I've seen plenty of disk images online for Lisa Office System and its related application suite in English, but despite the many mentions of plenty of international versions, I've only seen a couple screenshots. Does anyone have any disk images of the international versions of these disks they can share? (Twiggy images would be especially interesting, but 3.5" would be great to archive as well)

From Wikipedia:
"Within a few months of the Lisa's introduction in the US, fully translated versions of the software and documentation were commercially available for the British, French, West German, Italian, and Spanish markets, followed by several Scandinavian versions shortly thereafter."

stepleton:
I've been gently encouraging someone on 68kmla to image a friend's Office System 2.0F (French) diskettes.

fri0701:
I'll note it here when I find some of these versions:

It looks like Apple Asimov has a copy of Lisa Office System/Buerosystem* 2.0 and tools (on 400k disks): https://www.apple.asimov.net/images/applelisa/Apple%20Lisa%20Software%20-%20Disk%20Images_vol_3.zip
However, they aren't working with LisaEm - the install disks crash the emulator with a pretty deep and esoteric error message:

"Emulation aborted!
We've encountered a problem!
Doh odd PC value (ffffffff) on vector (3) fetch in reg68k_internal_vector - BYE BYE
Stopped at reg68k.c:reg68k_internal_vector:2377 with code :58
LisaEM will now quit."

...and while the tool disks load under LOS 3.x, they complain about the tools being damaged when you try to run them. It's possible this is because I'm not using LOS 2.0, so I'll have to try that later when I find good install disks for it.

On a side note, Ray's los-deserialize utility has come in handy here for sure. The install/tool disks ended up being serialized against 4 different Lisa AppleNet numbers! (Install #1: 00102900, Install #2: 00103344, Install #3-4: 00102603, tools: 00103061)

*a database error is thrown when posting if your post contains an umlaut.

rayarachelian:

--- Quote from: fri0701 on September 02, 2022, 07:43:05 am ---I'll note it here when I find some of these versions:

It looks like Apple Asimov has a copy of Lisa Office System/Buerosystem* 2.0 and tools (on 400k disks): https://www.apple.asimov.net/images/applelisa/Apple%20Lisa%20Software%20-%20Disk%20Images_vol_3.zip
However, they aren't working with LisaEm - the install disks crash the emulator with a pretty deep and esoteric error message:

"Emulation aborted!
We've encountered a problem!
Doh odd PC value (ffffffff) on vector (3) fetch in reg68k_internal_vector - BYE BYE
Stopped at reg68k.c:reg68k_internal_vector:2377 with code :58
LisaEM will now quit."

--- End quote ---

It's likely that the OS disk is damaged. I haven't played with installing LOS 2.0 in a while but I recall the US version working. So that error indicates that the vector for the Address Error exception was set to ffffffff - this is an invalid address which itself will cause an address error exception on top of the first exception. So effectively this is a double address error exception, in this case there's nothing to do but reset the CPU.

When exactly does this happen during the install? Is it all the way at the end when you say restart off hard drive?

If not, I'm guessing there's some bad blocks/errors on those disks. This might be an opportunity to repair it by extracting all the files from the broken disk and compare them, except for the phrases files, to known good ones from the US version.

I've seen this kind of thing being used for a reboot, but it was done differently than this. I don't believe Apple would have different code for different languages, but rather they'd have just changed the phrases files for LOS and its apps. It is possible, but unlikely.

patrick:
I have the German version of LOS 2.0. We have created image files of real disks obtained by Stefan of http://homecomputer.de/ in the '90s. I thought we have uploaded them somewhere (or sent them to DTC?), but I am not sure. Perhaps the stuff on asimov is a preliminary version.

I can put my (working) version in the files section.

IIRC for LOS3 I have only the US version.

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