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anotherLISAguy

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Unpacking the LISA enthusist (in general)
« on: October 13, 2025, 08:32:38 am »

The market for LISA computers and components has seen a remarkable increase in value over the past five to ten years, with some rare items fetching exceptionally high prices. It’s logical that the LISA-1 and LISA-2 configurations are appreciating, simply due to their scarcity.

This evolving market warrants a dedicated discussion, as current conversations about valuation and rarity are often fragmented in threads. While enthusiasts, including myself, appreciate the minute details of early PC board versions, the discussion needs to extend to market dynamics.

It’s my opinion that the LISA ecosystem mirrors the vintage car market, attracting different types of participants: some driven by nostalgia, others who modify systems for enhanced aesthetics or functionality, and purist collectors.

Collectors themselves have varying priorities, from those who value provenance, matching serial numbers, and period-correct components, to those who basically enjoy technology hacking.. Understanding these roles is crucial given the limited production numbers of LISA computers.

For instance, a well-functioning, original (even if repaired) power supply holds more intrinsic value than a modern retrofit, much like the unseen components under the hood.. While an observer might only see a classic 1963 Ferrari GTO, the difference becomes apparent upon closer inspection.

I'm sharing these thoughts to spark a broader conversation about the LISA market and the short window but larger impact. While eBay has been a primary sales channel, auction houses are increasingly featuring collectible items. However, for high-value items, comprehensive visual information is crucial. We've all encountered listings that lack sufficient detail, cut and paste historicals, and gaps in imagery leading to unanswered questions about the item's history, condition, or even included software and accessories. The Paul Allen collection, for example, sparsely covered its contents, perhaps relying on the "LISA-1" designation alone to justify six-figure valuations. These high values lead to "bastardized" LISA-1, muddying the market, jading collectors, diminishing value for those doing proper restoration.  Heck, I remember looking at a ‘71 Cutlass convertible that had the 4-4-2 hood, rims and details - not a real 4-4-2 but it fulfilled my high school vehicle itch.

For these reasons, I'm seeking a consensus on common shortcomings in past sales and auctions—information gaps that left us wanting more. I'm eager to hear others' perspectives on the market, how they engage with it, their collection goals, and what they would like to see in terms of transparent presentation of items for sale.

What say you?

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Re: Unpacking the LISA enthusist (in general)
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2025, 09:43:49 am »

1. The poll should allow more than one choice!

2. I am too new to the LISA scene to know anything useful about collecting prices. However, I have been buying, restoring, and selling vintage and antique motorcycles for many decades.

If we assume that there is some cross-over when it comes to collecting, repairing, using ,and selling vintage stuff then perhaps there are a few things worth considering:

a. With vintage motorcycles, some people buy with the intent of fixing and reselling them as an investment. Very few have managed to make a living, let alone a reasonable part-time hourly wage, doing this. Typically, it is a "labor of love". More commonly, it is a person wanting to make enough money to move on to the next project.

b. With vintage motorcycles, the price bump comes mainly from people who have become successful later in life and then go back and buy the motorcycle they either had when they were young or the bike they always wanted but did not get when they were young. These bikes are the ones that tend to see the big bump in resale value for a few years, then settle down again.

c. Some buy vintage motorcycles because they are attracted by the older technology and unique designs. Basically, gear-head nerds.


I fall squarely into B. and C. for both motorcycles and vintage computers.

I have restored from the ground up several extremely unique and rare motorcycles that are true museum pieces. I doubt I will get much more out of them than I spent restoring them, if you count my time as well as the parts.

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Re: Unpacking the LISA enthusist (in general)
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2025, 06:42:06 am »

Fair point. Unfortunately, the pole only allows for a single choice.
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