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 91 
 on: September 02, 2022, 01:50:33 pm 
Started by fri0701 - Last post by stepleton
Can confirm that Office System 2.0 (US) works in LisaEm.

 92 
 on: September 02, 2022, 10:45:40 am 
Started by fri0701 - Last post by patrick
I have the German version of LOS 2.0. We have created image files of real disks obtained by Stefan of http://homecomputer.de/ in the '90s. I thought we have uploaded them somewhere (or sent them to DTC?), but I am not sure. Perhaps the stuff on asimov is a preliminary version.

I can put my (working) version in the files section.

IIRC for LOS3 I have only the US version.

 93 
 on: September 02, 2022, 10:37:09 am 
Started by AlexTheCat123 - Last post by patrick
Change your Dropbox URL to ...?dl=1 to get a direct download link. This skips the promotional stuff ("do you want to register ").

 94 
 on: September 02, 2022, 09:40:57 am 
Started by fri0701 - Last post by rayarachelian
I'll note it here when I find some of these versions:

It looks like Apple Asimov has a copy of Lisa Office System/Buerosystem* 2.0 and tools (on 400k disks): https://www.apple.asimov.net/images/applelisa/Apple%20Lisa%20Software%20-%20Disk%20Images_vol_3.zip
However, they aren't working with LisaEm - the install disks crash the emulator with a pretty deep and esoteric error message:

"Emulation aborted!
We've encountered a problem!
Doh odd PC value (ffffffff) on vector (3) fetch in reg68k_internal_vector - BYE BYE
Stopped at reg68k.c:reg68k_internal_vector:2377 with code :58
LisaEM will now quit."

It's likely that the OS disk is damaged. I haven't played with installing LOS 2.0 in a while but I recall the US version working. So that error indicates that the vector for the Address Error exception was set to ffffffff - this is an invalid address which itself will cause an address error exception on top of the first exception. So effectively this is a double address error exception, in this case there's nothing to do but reset the CPU.

When exactly does this happen during the install? Is it all the way at the end when you say restart off hard drive?

If not, I'm guessing there's some bad blocks/errors on those disks. This might be an opportunity to repair it by extracting all the files from the broken disk and compare them, except for the phrases files, to known good ones from the US version.

I've seen this kind of thing being used for a reboot, but it was done differently than this. I don't believe Apple would have different code for different languages, but rather they'd have just changed the phrases files for LOS and its apps. It is possible, but unlikely.

 95 
 on: September 02, 2022, 07:43:05 am 
Started by fri0701 - Last post by fri0701
I'll note it here when I find some of these versions:

It looks like Apple Asimov has a copy of Lisa Office System/Buerosystem* 2.0 and tools (on 400k disks): https://www.apple.asimov.net/images/applelisa/Apple%20Lisa%20Software%20-%20Disk%20Images_vol_3.zip
However, they aren't working with LisaEm - the install disks crash the emulator with a pretty deep and esoteric error message:

"Emulation aborted!
We've encountered a problem!
Doh odd PC value (ffffffff) on vector (3) fetch in reg68k_internal_vector - BYE BYE
Stopped at reg68k.c:reg68k_internal_vector:2377 with code :58
LisaEM will now quit."

...and while the tool disks load under LOS 3.x, they complain about the tools being damaged when you try to run them. It's possible this is because I'm not using LOS 2.0, so I'll have to try that later when I find good install disks for it.

On a side note, Ray's los-deserialize utility has come in handy here for sure. The install/tool disks ended up being serialized against 4 different Lisa AppleNet numbers! (Install #1: 00102900, Install #2: 00103344, Install #3-4: 00102603, tools: 00103061)

*a database error is thrown when posting if your post contains an umlaut.

 96 
 on: September 02, 2022, 07:21:42 am 
Started by AlexTheCat123 - Last post by fri0701
In a video series from 1983 about the Macintosh's development

Do you have a link to this series?

The series I'm referring to is this one:
https://web.stanford.edu/dept/SUL/sites/mac/primary/images/gartner/index.html

Unfortunately, it looks like the video files have been taken down. I'm glad I made a backup of them when I watched them years ago:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gdmuv47fxpz94lh/AADJ9WRFNgouDXruFooMwatXa?dl=1

It's a fascinating little series to watch all the way through. Plenty of Lisas make appearances, too!

 97 
 on: September 01, 2022, 11:59:25 pm 
Started by AlexTheCat123 - Last post by blusnowkitty
In a video series from 1983 about the Macintosh's development

Do you have a link to this series?

 98 
 on: September 01, 2022, 01:13:37 pm 
Started by fri0701 - Last post by stepleton
I've been gently encouraging someone on 68kmla to image a friend's Office System 2.0F (French) diskettes.

 99 
 on: August 31, 2022, 11:24:53 pm 
Started by AlexTheCat123 - Last post by fri0701
In a video series from 1983 about the Macintosh's development, there's a short clip of some software that looks like it's being used to design a chip layout on a motherboard. Perhaps someone with more experience in this area could help identify what tool this is? Perhaps it's related to what was used on the Lisa, or could point you in the right direction.




 100 
 on: August 31, 2022, 11:19:09 pm 
Started by fri0701 - Last post by fri0701
I've seen plenty of disk images online for Lisa Office System and its related application suite in English, but despite the many mentions of plenty of international versions, I've only seen a couple screenshots. Does anyone have any disk images of the international versions of these disks they can share? (Twiggy images would be especially interesting, but 3.5" would be great to archive as well)

From Wikipedia:
"Within a few months of the Lisa's introduction in the US, fully translated versions of the software and documentation were commercially available for the British, French, West German, Italian, and Spanish markets, followed by several Scandinavian versions shortly thereafter."


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