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Quote from: AlexTheCat123 on February 16, 2024, 05:37:28 pm

... the floppy cable within the drive cage itself ...

It's been so long since I've seen a 2/10 in it's original state I'd forgotten all about this (and a whole lot of other things as you've all prolly noticed from my posts -- apologies for the errors).

On the 2/10, the rear of the floppy drive is difficult to access in the drive cage as there isn't much space below the Widget, and the cooling fan is partially obstructing it.

So to make it easier to disconnect/remove the drive cage, there is a short 20 pin ribbon cable extension (about 6" / 15cm long) with a flanged male connector mounted to the rear of the drive cage beside the fan, and a female connector that plugs into the drive. When you remove the drive cage, this short cable goes with it. The cable in the chassis plugs into this extension rather than the drive itself.

On my 2/10, this short extension is indeed a rainbow ribbon cable, whereas the chassis mounted ribbon cables are all grey.

edit: since this is a straight through extension, OP could eliminate this as a potential source of problems by connecting the FEMU directly to the grey chassis cable.

I tried that actually, but nothing changed. I'll have to try the Emu on one of my Macs at my parents' place

I've been having an issue for a while with 800K drives connected to my Lisa. I thought that perhaps it was related to the existing 400K ROM, but I recently finally got around to researching and getting all the materials I needed to burn a universal drive rom (yes, I know it's been a year  ). I can confirm I burned the ROM correctly because I was able to get one of the drives to write 800K to a disk that reads correctly in my Mac Plus.

The main issue is the drives will run their ejection mechanisms constantly. One drive repeatedly tries to eject while the other constantly tries to intake a disk, such that to eject or insert a disk I need to manually hold down the drive ejection switch. Both drives work on my Mac Plus without issue, but when connected to the Lisa they malfunction as such.

Has anyone else had this problem? What was the underlying issue?

Here's my Lisa 2/10:

Model: A6S0200
Memory Option: A6S0204
Serial No: A4304335
Applenet No: 00108229
Manufactured: 4304

... the floppy cable within the drive cage itself ...

It's been so long since I've seen a 2/10 in it's original state I'd forgotten all about this (and a whole lot of other things as you've all prolly noticed from my posts -- apologies for the errors).

On the 2/10, the rear of the floppy drive is difficult to access in the drive cage as there isn't much space below the Widget, and the cooling fan is partially obstructing it.

So to make it easier to disconnect/remove the drive cage, there is a short 20 pin ribbon cable extension (about 6" / 15cm long) with a flanged male connector mounted to the rear of the drive cage beside the fan, and a female connector that plugs into the drive. When you remove the drive cage, this short cable goes with it. The cable in the chassis plugs into this extension rather than the drive itself.

On my 2/10, this short extension is indeed a rainbow ribbon cable, whereas the chassis mounted ribbon cables are all grey.

edit: since this is a straight through extension, OP could eliminate this as a potential source of problems by connecting the FEMU directly to the grey chassis cable.

I am confused here.  Are you saying that your internal Lisa 2/10 ( card-cage to floppy, widget, keyboard/power sw) cable is a rainbow cable?   I have never seen that before, can you post a photo?

I'm just talking about the floppy cable within the drive cage itself, like what @wagbox shows in the video. The actual wire harness that connects the floppy, Widget, keyboard, and power switch to the card cage is just a normal single-color ribbon, but the floppy cable within the drive bay is different. I'll send a picture when I get home later this evening.

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I think that rainbow cable is not a stock Lisa cable...? I wonder if that could also be a contributing factor?

Both of my 2/10s came with that exact same rainbow cable and they work great with the Floppy Emu, so I think it might be stock in certain systems.

I am confused here.  Are you saying that your internal Lisa 2/10 ( card-cage to floppy, widget, keyboard/power sw) cable is a rainbow cable?   I have never seen that before, can you post a photo?
Rick

Yep, the manual says to keep it in Lisa mode (although I've tried Macintosh mode before with the same results). Honestly, thinking there might be something up with the Emu. I've never used it on another machine since it just came with the Lisa. I'll try it on a Macintosh once I get near my collection again...

I think that rainbow cable is not a stock Lisa cable...? I wonder if that could also be a contributing factor?

Both of my 2/10s came with that exact same rainbow cable and they work great with the Floppy Emu, so I think it might be stock in certain systems.

Since you are using MacWorks, try using the Floppy Emu's Macintosh mode (rather than Lisa).

I'm pretty sure you need it in Lisa mode even in MacWorks, right? Or at least that's how I have mine set up. I think the mode accounts for differences between the floppy controller hardware in the Mac and the Lisa, not differences between the operating systems themselves.

On this point, If I want to setup Xenix, Uniplus Unix, or any other non-Apple OS, should I be in Macintosh mode or Lisa mode?

Going off what I said above, I always keep mine in Lisa mode and it works fine with every OS that was made for the Lisa, so maybe something's weird with your disk images!

Since you are using MacWorks, try using the Floppy Emu's Macintosh mode (rather than Lisa).

On this point, If I want to setup Xenix, Uniplus Unix, or any other non-Apple OS, should I be in Macintosh mode or Lisa mode? Yesterday I was trying to install both Xenix and Unix in Lisa mode and I was having some disk errors installing files from Xenix floppy images and a couple issues getting Unix to finish installing. Not sure if it's me, the disk images, or the floppy emu :/

Since you are using MacWorks, try using the Floppy Emu's Macintosh mode (rather than Lisa).

I think that rainbow cable is not a stock Lisa cable...? I wonder if that could also be a contributing factor?