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 on: January 22, 2024, 12:36:56 pm 
Started by ried - Last post by AlexTheCat123
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It's also interesting that the Professor was using the Office System in 1988. I wonder how many people were still doing that.

Believe it or not, I have a ProFile with some LisaWrite documents that are dated all the way into 1998 and 1999! Of course, the modification dates won't go this high, but there are some dates mentioned within files that are from this timeframe. From what I recall, the files were the homework of an elementary or middle schooler, so the computer wasn't being used for "real" work anymore, but it was definitely still being used!

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 on: January 21, 2024, 06:23:23 pm 
Started by ried - Last post by stepleton
Thanks ried, that is most of a relief. I'm obliged to ask (sorry!): is there a chance that you have an exact copy on something that is not a ProFile? The files on an emulated disk is a good start, but if you create and use a new ProFile image on the emulator, then you should be able to make an exact copy to that simulated hard drive just like you did with the ProFile.

I've tried to find some of Professor Gay's papers online, and there are two that come up from the 2000s having to do with indexing systems for text. It's possible that some of his earlier work is not known to search engines and paper databases --- computer science can have a short memory sometimes.

It's also interesting that the Professor was using the Office System in 1988. I wonder how many people were still doing that.

 83 
 on: January 21, 2024, 12:12:00 pm 
Started by ried - Last post by ried
Thank you. Everyone here will be pleased to know that I've successfully backed up the drive, using BLU to make an exact copy onto another (working) ProFile. I've also backed up the files to an ArcaneByte Profile emulator - thanks to the work from James, Tom, et al.

Looking into the Migration Kit next. More to come.

Update: Professor Clifford W. Gay from George Mason University is indeed alive and well. The screenshots above are from his Computer Science 699 course offered in Fall of 1988. We are in touch and I'll be finding a way to get at least some of this material back to him.

 84 
 on: January 21, 2024, 12:03:02 pm 
Started by ried - Last post by fri0701
Very interesting!

Yes, getting a BLU backup is priority #1. Once you have a backup, you can use LisaEm to pick through the contents without modifying the originals.

I know Ray’s lisafshtool has a utility for extracting files from the disk, but (1) I don’t know if it works on ProFile images, and (2) you’d lose all formatting, which would be nice to save somehow if possible.

 85 
 on: January 21, 2024, 09:10:44 am 
Started by ried - Last post by stepleton
This is especially interesting to me as I've worked in artificial intelligence professionally for many years.

The early-mid '80s were an interesting time in AI, as some of the techniques which have powered today's AI boom were introduced to the field back then. The computers and data that could realise their full potential were decades away, however, and so for a time in the '90s and early '00s it was assumed that those methods were a dead end.

Of course the '80s also featured AI technologies that --- well, let's say that they have yet to enjoy a similar renaissance!

All that makes this ProFile an interesting time capsule indeed. It would be interesting to see where this professor worked in the AI field of their time, and what their outlook on the future of AI may have been. It would also be interesting to see whether the Workshop is installed on the computer, and whether there are any programs that the professor or an associate has written.

I echo sigma7 in saying that it's essential to get a block-level backup of the drive (e.g. with Blu) as soon as possible. Note that as the Office System apps don't really have a way of closing documents without saving them, I'd refrain from even opening more documents until you have a drive backup saved in a secure place. The ones you have opened already have probably already lost their original save dates+times, even if the file contents have not changed.

Thanks for sharing this with us!

 86 
 on: January 21, 2024, 03:50:55 am 
Started by ried - Last post by sigma7
  • What is the easiest way to convert files from LisaWrite to file formats that a modern computer can use?
  • How should I move files from the LOS 3.1 environment to a modern Macintosh? I can use a 400K floppy disk, but they'll be in the LOS format and Mac OS 9 cannot read them.

The Lisa-to-Macintosh Migration kit was an Apple product that ran on LOS and would convert many 7/7 documents to Macintosh documents (on a Mac disk).

https://www.macintoshrepository.org/23298-lisa-to-macintosh-migration-tools

LisaWrite files are converted to (an early version of) MacWrite files, which still might take some fiddling to convert to something current.
LisaDraw files are converted to MacDraw (predecessor to MacDraw II and MacDraw Pro).

IIRC, the files that have no contemporary Mac equivalent are converted to text.

The conversion isn't perfect (particularly in the case of the Lisa's equivalent of OLE which allowed embedding documents from multiple 7/7 tools in one document) but useful and probably worth a try in this case.

Since the ProFile with the original documents may not have much lifetime left, I suggest the first priority is making a backup.

HTH & good luck!

 87 
 on: January 21, 2024, 01:09:57 am 
Started by ried - Last post by ried
A few screenshots.








 88 
 on: January 21, 2024, 12:44:10 am 
Started by ried - Last post by ried
Over the last couple of years, I've picked up 5 Lisas and 8 ProFile hard drives. It's been a great learning experience, thanks to several members here and elsewhere.

One of my recent purchases is a ProFile hard drive that worked for the usual 10 minutes before its RIFA capacitor let loose the magic smoke. That was long enough to verify the drive's functionality, confirm that it was already in the LOS 3.1 format, and see that it contains dozens of documents from the late 1980s. Most from LisaWrite, but others as well.

Interestingly, the documents were created by a college professor in Virginia. He was teaching courses about Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning, as well as math. His course outlines are all on this particular ProFile drive - along with lots of significant personal and family-related documents. Truly amazing that this gentleman was teaching classes about AI and ML in the 1980s. It's a treasure trove of information.

Google searches lead me to believe that he's still alive and kicking at 79 years young. I plan to reach out and offer to send him these documents, but I would like to retrieve and translate them into modern file formats so they are accessible to him.

Questions:
  • What is the easiest way to convert files from LisaWrite to file formats that a modern computer can use?
  • How should I move files from the LOS 3.1 environment to a modern Macintosh? I can use a 400K floppy disk, but they'll be in the LOS format and Mac OS 9 cannot read them.

Advice would be greatly appreciated.

 89 
 on: January 19, 2024, 09:58:54 pm 
Started by blusnowkitty - Last post by compu_85
From fri0701's post:

I've been working with LisaEm and BLU a bit over the last few days...

Just found an AppleNet conflict with their system with one at CHM: https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102638272

B08B831250030    00102092   83125    2/5      
A3356088            00102092   3356   2/5   A6S0300      CHM

I also noticed a huge overlap in the Applenets at the Texas plant on Nov 18 1983 and Oct 26 1984 (A friday..)

The 1983 AppleNets range from 00107325 to at least 00107435
The 1984 AppleNets range from 00107203 to at least 00107772

So there's at least 110 AppleNets that are overlapped.

Perhaps with some more work we can spot all these overlaps and remove them from the calculation? Perhaps plotting out the "address space" of each factory at each day would be a good place to start.

PS: Something magic happened on June 6th, 1984 at the Texas factory. The system SNs and AppleNets aligned :) SN A4158122 AppleNet 00104122, 4158108 00104108, A4158066 00104066...

-J

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 on: January 19, 2024, 11:48:15 am 
Started by blusnowkitty - Last post by ried
Here is a European Lisa 1 that was upgraded to Lisa 2 spec, for reference.

Model A6SB100P - Memory A6SB108.
"Assembled in Ireland"

B08B832640254
00106121
83264

Pictures: https://imgur.com/a/U4Zfs9R
eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/156013277663

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