LisaList2
General Category => LisaList2 => Topic started by: bmwcyclist on February 17, 2025, 08:36:38 pm
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Has anyone found a way to get a Lisa to use ethernet/TCP-IP on the internet? I found a video where VNC Remote was used, but no config guidance.
I hope to get a Lisa 2/10 with a 16MHz XLerator Board With SCSI Support
Thanks!
P.S. Great forum this is my first post. Lots of great info here.
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You can absolutely get a Lisa on the Internet. Well... a Macintosh XL, at least.
(https://i.imgur.com/itOb4jg.jpeg)
You are correct that having SCSI via an XLerator is the key. Once the required hardware is installed, Macintosh System 7 through 7.5.5 will become available to you. MacTCP will enable you to use a SCSI Ethernet adapter (DaynaPORT, Asante, etc). There are even fancy new ZuluSCSI Mini units that have Wi-Fi and emulate the DaynaPORT SCSI Ethernet units, which is how the one shown above is online.
A Lisa on the Internet thanks to Wi-Fi. Who would have thought? 8)
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If you can't find a SCSI card, I expect you ought to be able to do PPP over a serial port. It'll be slow but so will be the rest of the Lisa anyway. You'll need a null modem cable connected to a serial port-equipped, Internet-connected computer at the other end --- or you could see about subscribing to a good old-fashioned dial-up ISP if you can find one!
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You can absolutely get a Lisa on the Internet. Well... a Macintosh XL, at least.
You are correct that having SCSI via an XLerator is the key. Once the required hardware is installed, Macintosh System 7 through 7.5.5 will become available to you. MacTCP will enable you to use a SCSI Ethernet adapter (DaynaPORT, Asante, etc). There are even fancy new ZuluSCSI Mini units that have Wi-Fi and emulate the DaynaPORT SCSI Ethernet units, which is how the one shown above is online.
A Lisa on the Internet thanks to Wi-Fi. Who would have thought? 8)
Thanks!
Can you be more specific? I have purchased a SCSI XLerator, do I need ANOTHER SCSI card or just SCSI to Ethernet/Wifi? I am assuming I can attach the ZuluSCSI to the XLerator SCSI port, but I hate to assume... ;)
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Is this correct?
https://shop.rabbtholecomputing.com/products/zuluscsi-rp2040-pico-slim
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I have had my Lisa online since 1999. Over the years I have tried all the possibilities to connect. My preferred method is to use MacIP over Localtalk. I have the SCSI to Ethernet adapters ( even the new SCSI wifi clones), but they are not any better or much faster than using the Localtalk port that is built into the Lisa. I use a Gatorbox, but there are many other options available today to setup a MacIP gateway.
Rick
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https://shop.rabbitholecomputing.com/products/zuluscsi-rp2040-pico-slim
Don't buy the Zulu SCSI!
Buy a blueSCSI:
https://bluescsi.com/
https://bluescsi.com/docs/WiFi-DaynaPORT
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Thanks!
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I have purchased a SCSI XLerator, do I need ANOTHER SCSI card or just SCSI to Ethernet/Wifi?
You don't need a SCSI expansion card if your XLerator has SCSI installed.
If you were to install a SCSI expansion card as well, you can use only one or the other SCSI port. One uses the XLerator control panel to turn on/off the XLerator SCSI port (if it is off and a SCSI expansion card is installed, then that card's port is used).
Note that SCSI support was introduced in MacWorks Plus 1.0.something and is in MW+II. SCSI isn't supported in LOS, Workshop, Xenix, MacWorks XL as there are (currently) no drivers.
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extremely helpful, thank you!
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I've tried getting a stock lisa online with MacTCP... it just can't cut it. With an XLerator things work fine.
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It's a lot more than just the XLerator that makes this work. Running MW+II and System 7 is the real trick here. Even if you get a PPP connection or MacIP going under MW+, system 6.03 is the real limitation System 6.03 pre-dates the Internet, and as such there are no applications that support MacTCP that will work under 6.03. You will need 6.07 or later for a TCP/IP connection to be of any use...
Rick
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bmwcyclist: try using NCSA Telnet, which includes FTP too. It existed in 1988-89, which is the era of System 6.0.3.
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bmwcyclist: try using NCSA Telnet, which includes FTP too. It existed in 1988-89, which is the era of System 6.0.3.
I believe there was a version that had a short-lived PPP or SLIP implementation, though I can't recall the details
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I have never seen a version of NCSA Telnet that had a PPP or SLIP implementation built in. Every version I ever came in contact with used MacTCP.
DogCow, what ever happened to the internet tools you were developing for early Macintoshes that we were testing for Lisa compatibility? Do you have this special version of NCSA Telnet in your download vault on the MacGui site?
Rick
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I have never seen a version of NCSA Telnet that had a PPP or SLIP implementation built in. Every version I ever came in contact with used MacTCP.
Yes, there was an earlier NCSA version that pre-dated MacTCP. I think it used an AppleTalk to IP bridge or gateway.
DogCow, what ever happened to the internet tools you were developing for early Macintoshes that we were testing for Lisa compatibility? Do you have this special version of NCSA Telnet in your download vault on the MacGui site?
That project stalled for lack of available time to work on it. It's not dead, and I do want to complete it, I just don't know when. We spent a lot of time on that, and I hope to pick it back up some time.
I'm not sure if I have that special NCSA Telnet application in the Vault. I remember looking for it a few years back, but I don't recall if I found it or not.
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there was a version that had a short-lived PPP or SLIP implementation
This NCSA Telnet for the Macintosh User’s Guide Version 2.6 (http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/dward/classes/skills/telnet/MacTelnet.pdf) says:
These other Version 2.5 features are no longer available in Version 2.6:
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Serial Connections
SLIP Connections via built-in drivers
NCSA TCP/IP drivers
So finding source/binary for an earlier version might be worth a moment...
#5 of this purports to have 2.3 and 2.4:
https://www.macintoshrepository.org/83-ncsa-telnet-2-x (https://www.macintoshrepository.org/83-ncsa-telnet-2-x)
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I've got a copy attached. Just opened it up and SLIP is there (under new connections). I haven't tried it in a long time and have forgotten the process.
@DFinni - Would be great if you're able to host it on MacGUI
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Thanks for providing that version of NCSA Telnet with combined TCP/IP drivers. That's just what we were looking for.
IMPORTANT NOTES- June 1992 NCSA/BYU Telnet 2.5
There are some substantial changes with this release of Telnet. While all of these changes are described fully in the documentation, they are worthy of another mention here. If you do not already have the Telnet 2.5 documentation, please get it from
anonymous ftp from: ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu
NCSA/MacTCP drivers
NCSA Telnet previously came in two versions: NCSA driver version, and MacTCP driver version. However, in this release of Telnet, the two versions have been merged into one application. This allows greater flexibility, along with removing the need to have two different applications for basically the same program. You may select the NCSA drivers, by appropriately setting the hardware= line in config.tel to ether, or atalk.
To select the MacTCP drivers, you may set hardware=mactcp in the config.tel file. Also, since Telnet defaults to MacTCP, if there is no hardware=mactcp line, Telnet will still assume that MacTCP is to be used.
Serial Connections
Telnet now has the ability to connect through the serial port, and can also optionally use SLIP. For more information about this, please see the documentation.