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 on: November 17, 2024, 12:17:23 pm 
Started by TorZidan - Last post by stepleton
The Lisa is probably the 1st computer that could be turned on via push button, and shut down programmatically, from a "Power off" menu in the operating system, or by pushing the power button again. Nowadays all computers have adopted it...

I appreciate this valuable, detailed post! I wonder, though, how certain are you of this possibility? I'd be a little surprised if there were no computer with soft power-on by 1983. I think the PERQ 1 in 1980 (but not PERQ 2 in later years) had the ability to turn itself off under software control, for example.

Anyway, I relish any opportunity to mention my favourite Lisa operating system error code: 1162, "Power is already off".

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 on: November 16, 2024, 06:00:20 pm 
Started by TorZidan - Last post by TorZidan
I had an encounter with a button, and now I want to share my findings with the community. I did not have to replace my button, so the information below is my best effort to collect it, but some of it is unverified...

The Lisa is probably the 1st computer that could be turned on via push button, and shut down programmatically, from a "Power off" menu in the operating system, or by pushing the power button again. Nowadays all computers have adopted it...

The Lisa power-on button is located on the front panel, under the drives cage.To remove it (for repairs and whatnot), you will need to remove the top cover (for which you need to unscrew it from its back, for which you need to remove the electronics cage and power supply), the front cover, and the drive cage. The button is soldered onto a small PCB board (part number 820-4020-B) , along with the keyboard connector. The board is held to the bottom chassis with two screws.

The button is made by Honeywell, model AML21CBA3AA (based on the post at https://68kmla.org/bb/index.php?threads/chasing-down-lisa-error-52-cop-i-o-board-etc.46971/). It can still be found at major electronics retailers, and costs around $40. Yikes. Do a comparison shopping at https://octopart.com/search?q=AML21CBA3AA&currency=USD&specs=0 , make sure to click "Show all" to see all offerings. It MAY be possible that models AML21CBA3AB (a 2-pole button) and AML21CBA3AC (a 4-pole button) also fit and work, see the picture of the PCB below; but they are even more expensive. AML21CBA3AB is a single "push" button (aka "momentary action") vs other models that are an alternating button (push on / push off). Also, note that the pins on the back are thin (meant to be soldered on a PCB board); there are other models that have thicker pins with a hole in them (to  solder wires to them); they will not fit on the PCB board unless you hack it.

The button has two metal brackets that surround it; they seem to serve no purpose on the Lisa; they were intended by the manufacturer to affix the button inside square openings; On the Lisa, the button is not attached to the hole where it sits; it's held in the right place by its soldered legs.

There is a small replaceable light bulb inside the button that illuminates it when the Lisa is on.To replace the bulb, if needed:
  0. You may be able to do ths without opening the Lisa (without removing the power button PCB board)
  1. pry the front white plastic button piece : carefully insert a sharp tool directly below it, then pry the plastic piece towards you, until it is loose from the bottom, then repeat on the top, until it comes out.
  2. you will see the bulb inside the button. There is a tiny metal tab below it. Pull it (with a small flat screwdriver), and it will eject the bulb.
  3. The bulb appears to be a  "#79 Bulb" (you can google it) : it's a T 13/4 bulb (aka T1.75), which means that its diameter is 1.75 times x 1/8 of an inch, which comes to 0.22 inches diameter = 5.5mm diameter; the voltage is 6V (but the Lisa powers it with 5V). The socket is a rectangle piece of glass with dimensions 2.1mm wide x 4.9mm high; the total bulb height is about 17 mm. Your local auto parts store may also have it.
  4. Insert the new bulb the same way the old came out (the bulb socket should be oriented  horizontally). Try not inserting it all the way in (let the white plastic push button above it push it in as deep as needed). This is because the bulb socket seems to be wider at its bottom, and it may not make good contact.
  5. Replace the white plastic cover piece. It has two small slots, on two opposite sides; these slots must be oriented to be above and below the plastic piece. Just push the plastic in place and wiggle until it clicks into place.
  6. Note: brand new buttons do not come with a bulb; use the old one, or buy it separately.

Wiring:
A 10-pin ribbon cable connects the IDC10 connector on the Power switch board to the first 8 pins (4 top pins and 4 bottom pins, the rest 2 wires are unused) of the J1 connector; this is the horizontal connector where the bottom motherboard plugs into when the electronics cage is inserted into the Lisa.   
   - The "Power switch" signal is on pin 54 (this is the 4th pin on top left side) of the J1 connector. It goes through the bottom motherboard to pin 119 on the I/O slot. From there, it reaches the I/O board, where it goes through a TTL "buffer" to the COPS chip. It seems that the buffer and the COPS chip are always powered on (even when the Lisa is off) through the "5V Standby" from the power supply. Upon pushing the power switch, the COPS sends an "ON" +5V signal to the power supply, and the Lisa turns on. The Lisa 2/5 and 2/10 I/O boards are identical when it comes to this functionality.   
  - The "Keyboard" signal is on pin 58 (this is the 2nd pin on top left side) of the J1 connector. It goes through the bottom motherboard to pin 88 on the I/O slot, and from there to the COPS chip on the I/O board.

It seems that all Lisa models are the same in regards to the power button.
See the attached photos for more info.

Is your Lisa turning on as soon as you plug the power cord? And then it shows an I/O Error 52? This is because your power button has a mechanical failure and is stuck in "always on" position. Pry it open (without desoldering it), fiddle with it, see if you can fix it, and, if no luck, desolder and replace it with a new one. Or hack it: use a flat screwdriver to touch the button's contacts to turn the Lisa on/off. Or run two wires outside of the Lisa and hook up your favorite button. Make sure to wear your white hacker hat, and brag to your wife.

Enjoy.

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 on: November 12, 2024, 11:49:30 am 
Started by ried - Last post by ried
Good idea. Just tried and confirmed: Deoxit is not conductive at all.

In any case, the issue has fully resolved itself after a few days. Horizontal mouse tracking is back to 100%. I really wish I knew why, but I'm going to chalk that up as another vintage computer unsolved mystery for now.

Thanks everyone.

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 on: November 11, 2024, 01:14:59 pm 
Started by ried - Last post by stepleton
This should be testable... Squirt enough contact cleaner into a paper cup or a dish to make a little puddle. Then jab in the probes of your multimeter on ohms mode. If the reading is still in the megaohms or more, even when the leads are close together (but not touching), then I would bet it was something else.

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 on: November 11, 2024, 10:32:58 am 
Started by ried - Last post by ried
Well, I can't confirm this 100% just yet but the mouse tracking has steadily improved over the last couple of days. No obvious cause. It's now working properly 99% of the time, and only very briefly loses horizontal tracking for a second or two now.

I do wonder if it was the Deoxit that I applied to the socket. Did it enable crosstalk / interference between the two pins that sigma7 mentioned? I would not have expected that to happen.

If the issue returns we'll know that my hypothesis is incorrect.

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 on: November 09, 2024, 11:32:17 pm 
Started by ried - Last post by ried
Brilliant analysis, thank you! I have taken the card cage out and inspected the I/O board, as well as its socket, for any signs of corrosion or debris that could be causing an issue. Clean as a whistle. Bright, shiny contacts and no signs of contact are present.

I do wonder, however... Before the issue arose yesterday,  I was re-assembling the machine and decided to clean the contacts and socket with Deoxit to ensure everything was perfect. I wonder if a liberal application of Deoxit might be causing crosstalk of some sort between the pins? I wiped the board dry, and blew out the socket with air and wiped it dry as well. But I wonder if there's some amount of Deoxit still present under the socket that could be causing the issue. I suppose we'll find out if it dries and resolves itself after a few days.

Will report back.

In any case, thank you again. The amount of insightful and detailed information shared here on the List by yourself and others is truly remarkable.  8)

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 on: November 09, 2024, 06:13:46 pm 
Started by ried - Last post by sigma7
Lisa 1 ...

The horizontal axis of the second mouse wasn't registering any significant movement. A slight jitter when moved horizontally, but that's all.

the built-in Parallel port seems to be generating interference. By leaving the Parallel port empty ... the mouse's full functionality was restored.

Each direction of mouse movement has two signal lines that toggle in quadrature fashion so the direction and amount of movement can be detected. A jitter only response on one axis suggests one of the signal lines is working, and the other is not.

The horizontal axis of the mouse is pins 4 and 5 of the mouse connector. These connect to the I/O Board edge connector at pins 89 and 93.

It looks to me that the only parallel port signal that is close to these is the DB-25 pin 25 "Chk" signal that is connected to the I/O edge connector at pin 92. It is connected to the COPS as "M3" and the schematic implies this was for the third button of a potential/imagined three button mouse. The ProFile controller connects this to ground.

My guess is physical or corrosion damage to the motherboard or I/O board has connected pins 92 & 93 or something along those lines.

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 on: November 09, 2024, 04:21:52 pm 
Started by ried - Last post by ried
While using my Lisa 1, the mouse suddenly stopped tracking its horizontal motion. I figured one of the mouse's internal IR transmitters / receivers on the horizontal axis had gone bad, so swapped the mouse for a known working unit. No dice. The horizontal axis of the second mouse wasn't registering any significant movement on the screen, either. A slight jitter when moved horizontally, but that's all.

Huh.

I tried re-seating the card cage, the I/O board, cleaning the connections on each (as well as the mouse port) and still... no dice.

Through trial and error I found that the built-in Parallel port seems to be generating interference. By leaving the Parallel port empty and booting the machine from the Parallel expansion card, the mouse's full functionality was restored. I tried a different cable with the built-in Parallel port and regained some (but not all) horizontal tracking. That's how it remains now. If a ProFile drive (or drive emulator) is attached to the built-in Parallel port, I lose some or all horizontal mouse tracking. If I keep that port empty, the problem goes away.

Vertical tracking is unaffected and works properly in all cases.

Any ideas what might cause that? Thanks in advance.

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 on: November 03, 2024, 03:33:01 pm 
Started by ried - Last post by fri0701
That auction included the Twiggy Mac and an even earlier version of the logic board. I agree that the language is ambiguous.

Huh, that is confusing indeed. Interestingly, the logic board shown here is old enough that it would have interfaced with an Apple II disk drive - pre-Twiggy.

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 on: November 02, 2024, 05:40:29 pm 
Started by ried - Last post by ried
Though folks might enjoy this internal training video from 1983. It has Lisa team members Dan Eilers and Dick Gorman comparing the Lisa 1 to the IBM PC running applications like Lotus 1-2-3. Enjoy  8)

https://youtu.be/tm4v12pmuZE


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