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Quote from: stepleton on October 24, 2026, 06:09:28 AMTheir job will be much easier if they can say "and when we made the arrangement for Lisa software, the community honoured the rules, so you can trust the community to honour them again." So, IMO, let's not spoil it for fans of those other systems!

Agreed!

Quote from: sigma7 on October 23, 2026, 10:39:18 PMI'm confident that Stepleton meant "pre-made including source code" rather than just any ProFile image.

Yes, that's what I meant. I was talking about the Lisa OS/Office System source code specifically. The title of this thread is "Moving the many source files to the Lisa" after all :-)

The good news is that we hardly need to distribute ProFiles pre-filled with that material. Although I haven't used it yet, that tool TorZidan made for reading/writing Lisa OS disks, combined with the script that stuffs a ProFile with source code files, means that the pre-building hassle that once took Alex many days is now barely a speedbump. You could say that this makes the tight rules associated with the source code even sillier and more arbitrary than you thought they were to begin with, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree.

But various preservationists and rightsholders and others worked very hard to secure even those distribution rules that we have. These same folks or folks like them are probably working hard to arrange similar deals for other kinds of historic software. Their job will be much easier if they can say "and when we made the arrangement for Lisa software, the community honoured the rules, so you can trust the community to honour them again." So, IMO, let's not spoil it for fans of those other systems!

Using the test program above, what would be required to make it an executable file for LOS. The ultimate goal is to create/translate some entertainment options for the Lisa. In this regard, I would need to figure out how to make a program executable so it could be run in the LOS environment.

Quote from: TorZidan on October 23, 2026, 09:39:06 PM

Quote from: stepleton on October 23, 2026, 12:58:28 PMUnless something has changed, you're not allowed to share a pre-made ProFile; you have to make your own. Otherwise Alex could have shared the image from the initial effort to compile the OS.

I want some clarification on what "pre-made" means

In my opinion:

The license you explicitly agree-to, to download the source code, applies only to that source code, so in this discussion, "not sharing a pre-made ProFile" means not re-distributing the source (or a derivative) in a ProFile image.

I'm confident that Stepleton meant "pre-made including source code" rather than just any ProFile image.

(Whether some other license is broken by sharing a LOS image without the source code on it is another matter, but that would be a passive aka "shrink-wrap" license agreement, not the one you explicitly agreed to when downloading the source code.)

Quote from: stepleton on October 23, 2026, 12:58:28 PMUnless something has changed, you're not allowed to share a pre-made ProFile; you have to make your own. Otherwise Alex could have shared the image from the initial effort to compile the OS.

I want some clarification on what "pre-made" means:
At https://github.com/alexthecat123/LisaSourceCompilation/blob/main/LOS%20Compilation%20Base.image.zip Alex shared a LOS ProFile disk image that does NOT contain the LOS source files. Is it "pre-made"? Is he allowed to share it? And , if not, why not?

I am asking because I use the very same file in my repository, at https://github.com/TorZidan/LisaFileSystemTool/blob/main/LisaSourceCompilation/LOS_Compilation_Base.image

@coffeemuse

Quote from: coffeemuse on October 11, 2026, 11:13:22 AM@classicomputing:

Hi David,

Thanks for sharing these. I really enjoyed the whole series, especially "Building the LisaMini: 3D Printing an Apple Lisa Reproduction with Mike Wottle."

I have to admit it was a thrill to spot my LisaFPGA case in that one! Around timestamp 9:50, you mentioned you didn't remember where you'd found it, so I thought I'd fill in the blank. From what I could see, it's definitely my design. Here's where the files live:

• LisaList2 thread: https://lisalist2.com/index.php/topic,803.0.html
• GitHub (STL/3MF files): https://github.com/coffeemuse/LisaFPGA-Case

Thanks for the kudos. I think it was the first case for the LisaFPGA that was made public. It's definitely not as nice as Mike's design, but it was constrained by my CAD skills and the size of my 3D printer.

I'm happy to see it getting used.

Thanks again for all you do to document Lisa history!

The irony is that if I had found your case sooner, I likely wouldn't have built my original standalone case, which would have almost certainly meant I wouldn't have even tried to build the all in one case.  You case is great - the easy off top is a nice idea over mine which hides some of the switches behind a screwed on case top. 

That lead me to dig in on the software side to expose all the settings via software (and technically a bit of extra hardware).  I added an ESP32 and now you can manage all the LisaFPGA settings remotely vie a web interface.  I call the add on LisaNet.  It also incorporates the FujiNet functionality that @bmwcyclist has been working on.  I've tested it with his apps LisaFuji and LisaFujiBrowser.  Need to confirm the app that sets the Lisa date and time from the FujiNet.  I add to that functionality the ability to manage the contents of the ESFloppy and ESProfile SD cards remotely over wifi.  Here's a video of the final case design and the software I built:

Quote from: stepleton on October 23, 2026, 12:58:28 PMUnless something has changed, you're not allowed to share a pre-made ProFile; you have to make your own. Otherwise Alex could have shared the image from the initial effort to compile the OS.

OK, thanks I knew you couldn't share something already compiled but I was wondering if maybe a "ready to compile" image would be legit.

Even with the effort, we are so very lucky to have the code.

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Thanks! I ordered a set.

You might want to make sure first that you haven't built up a static charge on your person that could go "zap" the moment you touch one of the keyboard PCB's pads --- especially if you're wearing clothes that easily build up a static charge, or if you're working in a room with a carpeted floor. One of the easiest ways to dissipate a static charge relatively safely is to touch the metal shield surrounding any external serial or parallel port on the back of the machine. (The little thumbscrew knobs at the top of the rear panel may also work.)

If you feel a small static shock, then you'll know that you may well have saved your keyboard by "grounding" yourself first. But even shocks that can't be felt are still strong enough to damage electronics.

Unless something has changed, you're not allowed to share a pre-made ProFile; you have to make your own. Otherwise Alex could have shared the image from the initial effort to compile the OS.