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 on: October 08, 2020, 01:55:01 am 
Started by MickeyScott1 - Last post by jamesdenton
It is pretty straightforward to turn that XL into a Lisa 2. You will need a video ROM and the H ROMs; both available on eBay or direct from VintageMicros at fairly reasonable prices.

In its current form, you're limited to running MacWorks/XL, which has a single boot disk in Lisa format and a system disk in Mac format. You can then use 400k disks in Mac format for data/apps. With the aforementioned ROMs, you will be able to load Lisa Office System and other Lisa-specific apps, in addition to MacWorks.


As for service mode, that adapter should do just fine. The docs go on to say that after you get the boot menu, try booting from a non-existent device (like the floppy drive without a disk inserted). Once you get the boot error, then hit Apple-S. The Apple key on a USB keyboard may be the windows or command keys; i'm not sure which is mapped and it depends on the keyboard. I know the ADB->Lisa keyboard adapters (also on eBay) work fine, too.

Hope that helps!

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 on: October 08, 2020, 01:30:02 am 
Started by MickeyScott1 - Last post by MickeyScott1
Thanks for the very useful advice. Unfortunately, the suggestions will probably not work for my specific situation (except for the EMU disk emulator).

Maybe my experience will be educational for others.

First, I am original owner of a Macintosh XL (I assumed it was new old stock), which I purchased from Sun Remarketing in 1991. It has the screen modification with the 3A88 ROM, so original Lisa disks will not work. I tried to read a 400k disk I made with Disk Copy 4.2 of a Lisa image I downloaded from Bit Savers. The Macintosh XL could read the disk, but the screen was a mess; I assume the screen was just a set of horizontal black lines because of the 3A88 ROM.

Second, I lost the original keyboard, and I am using the keyboard adapter with an Arduino, which I discussed in a different thread.

Following the instructions from the Sun Remarketing-published “Do-it-yourself guide,” I tried to enter service mode by pressing “any key” after the first click, but nothing happened. With the original keyboard in 1991, I had been able to use the service mode, but I wonder if the Arduino program emulation of the Lisa keyboard does not work until later in the boot up process.

Since I have the original 400k disks I made in 1991, I can use the programs I bought the computer to run in 1991, so I am relatively happy.

My goal over the weekend was to use software from Macintosh software websites that I use on my Mini vMac emulator and my Basilisk II emulator. One issue is that a .dsk disk image is not compatible with Disk Copy 4.2, and I cannot find a way to convert a .dsk image back into a Disk Copy 4.2 image.

I assume that the .dsk image can be read with the EMU disk emulator, so maybe I will buy one someday. Again, thanks for the helpful advice.

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 on: October 06, 2020, 10:02:22 pm 
Started by blusnowkitty - Last post by compu_85
I think Lyrix is different than text processing IIRC, which has things like wc, spell, cut, and formatting for typesetters.

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 on: October 06, 2020, 01:08:42 pm 
Started by blusnowkitty - Last post by rayarachelian
Found a few more XENIX applications from the same seller I bought my copy of Informix from... unfortunately, they all sold before I saw them. Here's some pictures anyway, and once again the list is updated!

So that Cobol was a loss unless whomever bought it images it and puts it online. The other disks, Text Processing and Development I think are already up on bitsavers, text processing might be listed as Lyrix, I don't recall, but it should be a word processor, either that, or it's standard stuff like sed, ed, vi, grep, etc.

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 on: October 06, 2020, 12:52:10 pm 
Started by blusnowkitty - Last post by blusnowkitty
Found a few more XENIX applications from the same seller I bought my copy of Informix from... unfortunately, they all sold before I saw them. Here's some pictures anyway, and once again the list is updated!

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 on: October 02, 2020, 11:00:18 pm 
Started by blusnowkitty - Last post by blusnowkitty
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Informix-V3-11-for-SCO-Xenix-for-the-Apple-Lisa-2-Complete-Disk-Set-Verified/402471817430

Rare find on eBay tonight - Informix 3.11 for XENIX 3.0! Since the price wasn't too bad I went ahead and bought this set, and hopefully the disks are still good and can still be read. Plus I always wanted some of those manual shutter floppy disks anyway...

Dumping should be fun though. My Lisa's decided to not play nice over serial again, so I'll probably pull out the Powerbook 150 and try to dc42 dump them that way. This is now a confirmed release on the list!

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 on: October 02, 2020, 10:29:41 pm 
Started by rayarachelian - Last post by rayarachelian
Thanks to https://about.me/eric3knibbe
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Hi there, appreciate the work you've done on LisaEm. Thought you might be interested in hearing that I've gotten both a formula and a cask for it added to the lifepillar/appleii Homebrew tap. Find them here: Anyone who has Homebrew installed should be able to run `brew tap lifepillar/appleii` and then `brew install lisaem` to build from source or `brew install --cask lisaem` to install your prepackaged version.

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 on: October 02, 2020, 10:01:26 pm 
Started by MickeyScott1 - Last post by rayarachelian
BLU for the win: http://sigmasevensystems.com/blumanual.html

You can enter service mode and type a bunch of hex numbers in for the BLU loader, and then upload BLU over the serial port, after that you can make a BLU floppy and then use that to restore other Disk Copy 4.2 images.

Alternatively you could get a floppy-emu from big mess o'wires and put the images on an mini SDXC card instead.

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 on: October 02, 2020, 08:48:48 pm 
Started by MickeyScott1 - Last post by D.Finni
But now, the earliest operating system I can run on my oldest vintage Macintosh PowerBook is System 7.6.1. I can read 400k disks, but I cannot write files to 400k disks with System 7.6.1.

What are my options to transfer programs to my Lisa, which has only a 400k disk drive?
Use Disk Copy 4.2 on your PowerBook and you can make 400K floppy disks from disk images found on Bit Savers and other Lisa sites. Disk Copy 4.2 does not respect operating system limitations, and can make any disk in any Apple 3.5" format.

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 on: October 02, 2020, 05:39:06 pm 
Started by MickeyScott1 - Last post by MickeyScott1
How do members of the forum copy programs (“abandonware’) from disk images downloaded from the Internet to their Lisa computers that only have 400k floppy drives?

I have been using my Lisa 2/10 with 400k program disks I made in 1988 (for my Mac 128) with a Mac Plus I had back in those days. But now, the earliest operating system I can run on my oldest vintage Macintosh PowerBook is System 7.6.1. I can read 400k disks, but I cannot write files to 400k disks with System 7.6.1.

From reading blogs and posts on the Internet, it seems that System 7.5 is the last operating system that can write to a 400k disk, and as many of you may know, the price of these older computers that can run System 7.5 are relatively expensive. (Considering that I gave away over 20 of these older systems in 2008, I am reluctant to buy one to use to transfer files to my Lisa.)

What are my options to transfer programs to my Lisa, which has only a 400k disk drive?

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