Guten Tag Herr Tom von Bayern,
APPLE LISA MOUSE ... Thank you for your comments about Apple mouse patent # 4,464,652 dated August 7, 1984. The 1984 date was when the patent was approved by the US Patent Office. This patent was FILED on July 19, 1982. It always takes a long time for patents to be approved. As such, the 1982 filing pre-dates the Apple Macintosh's introduction in January 1984.
It is my understanding that the mouse was part of the Lisa system early in its development and when the Lisa was released in January 1983 the mouse was part of the Lisa system. The very early pre-GUI Lisa project circa 1980 which was headed by Ken Rothmuller included a mouse but also used function keys on the keyboard. See the Lisa Marketing Requirements Document (MRD) from 1980 for a description of the original Lisa -- page 20 discusses the "pointing device". Apple's internal Lisa user interface standards from 1980 also talks about the mouse -- see page 2.
I have not heard before that the mouse was sold separately from the Lisa system in either the USA or Europe. The Lisa Product Introduction Plan (PIP) which Apple created for the Lisa's January 1983 introduction has many references to the mouse and several system drawings include the mouse. I find it hard to believe that Apple would sell the Lisa without the mouse which was a core component of the Lisa computer-human interface (CHI).
APPLE LISA DUMP IN UTAH, USA ... Newspaper article dated September 24, 1989 describes the burial of around 2,700 Lisa systems in the Logan, Utah, USA landfill by Sun Remarketing. Article attached.
APPLE LISA MRD ... Concerning the Lisa MRD, it references on page 2 several very early Lisa planning documents which I think would be really interesting to see. So, if you have a copy of these, please let me know (I suspect only the original Lisa design and marketing team members would have these memos, suspect Apple itself may not):
o Lisa Proposal # 1 -- October 1978
o Review of Lisa Objectives -- February 1979
Tschuess,
David Craig
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On July 24, 2014, at 11:58 PM, tommoni wrote:
Hi David, hello Rick,
I just took a look at the Apple Computer Patent - Lisa Computer Mouse and it's obviously a fact, that this patent is dated 08/1984?! Wow! So it seems that Apple got this patent after the MacIntosh has been sold (remember it was in January 1984) at a time, when the Mac Mouse was sold with the Mac (here in Europe with a bundle: Mac, Mouse and Keyboard and 3,5" System Disks)
The early Lisas (from 1982) weren't shipped with a mouse; you really had to buy your Lisa-Mouse seperately. Perhaps I find some brochures to verify that with some documents of that time. I'll post them or somebody else will do that.
You only could buy the Lisa-Mouse seperately... and at that time it was only one mouse availlable: The Lisa-Mouse with the characteristical small mouse-button.
In the year 1984, in spring, Apple began to sell the MacIntosh; and they sold it only with the Mac-Mouse.
Parallel they keep on selling the Lisa.
I only can provide some data about Apples products here in Europe, maybe in the States they had a different product policy, although I can't imagine that, because: Why should they see a need for that?
Here in Europe you could still buy the Lisa in 1984 - but still without a bundled mouse! The Lisa 2 was sold without a mouse, too. At the end of the Lisa-Area Apple sold the Lisa with all components and so you could buy the Lisa 2 and Mac XL later with the included Mouse. I know that SUN Remarketing bundled the Lisa with the Mac-Mouse, but only a few customers bought that (here in Europe).
In 1989 (I'm not 100% shure, please correct me if the year is not right) the remaining Apple Lisas were dumped in Utah.
This was at a time, when the Mac-Mouse was manufactured in its second configuration. The first Mac-Mouse had a rectangular plug, the second had a more rounded plug shape with smaler screws. But both were different comparing with the Lisa-Mouse, which had a fully plastic plug and no screws at all. These are the main differences beside the mouse-button.
By the way, Steve Jobs presented the Apple Lisa in 1983 at the International Design Conference in Aspen. Some pictures are still availlable and perhaps you could see the Lisa-Mouse in Steve's hand...
greetings TOM from Bavaria, the country of the alps, the marvellous castles of Koenig Ludwig and the original Octoberfest in Munich
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