Re: error 85

From: Philip Lord <philip_at_email.domain.hidden>
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:48:19 +0900


...one more quick observation. On the occasional time that the Lisa boots into 7/7, often the computer has 'Technical difficulties displaying xxxxx Paper".
It doesn't matter what what application, they all seem to have this problem 30% of the time.

Cheers

P

On Nov 3, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Philip Lord wrote:

> errrr...ok!
>
> it sounds like performing a low level format needs some special
> equipment that I'm not likely to have. If it can't be done on a Mac
> (now or old) or a Lisa, then I'm kinda screwed.
>
> One other thing I have noticed is an error 10100 next to what I
> guess is the lisa equivalent of 'Sad-Mac'. Is this related to the
> drive? I can not find any reference to this code.
>
> So, I will try to pursue the IDEfile direction. I have no knowledge
> of electronics, however I feel confident with the soldering
> challenge at least.
> Helmut, it sounds like you have built one before. I may have some
> questions for you in the near future ;-)
>
> I won't give up on the Sun REMarketing drive yet. Maybe I'll email
> SUN REM direct.
> If I don't have the tools, maybe they can still reformat my drive
> for me.
>
> Thanks for your reply
>
> P
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Dr. Helmut Post wrote:
>
>
>> Hello Phil,
>>
>> error 85 means: you have reached the hard disk time-out limit...
>> the hard
>> disk hasn't answered within a given time- probably the system
>> track, boot
>> secor is bad . You need a fresh low level format.- or a new drive
>> if the
>> number of bad blocks exceeds 30 counts.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have just finished telling the list that I got my SUN REM drive
>>> working again, and that I thought the cause was overheating
>>> (Installed a fan). However I still get constant error 85 messages.
>>>
>>> If I reinstall 7/7 everything seems fine, for a short while, then
>>> error 85 starts happening again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Probably a thermal error with one of the chips ... probably the
>> SMS OMTI
>> 20813B (MFM controller).
>> Do you have a freezing spray to cool down the chips to locate the
>> error on
>> the controller?
>> I have the same problems- no way to get these chips today- only if
>> you rip
>> the chips from an Amiga 1000 sidecar (PC-XT hardware expansion
>> box) or form
>> an old Atari ST MFM hard disk controller.
>>
>>
>>
>>> The SUN REM drive uses a Kalok KL320 (20mb) MFM drive. I guess these
>>> are getting very old now. Maybe I need to look for another 20mb MFM
>>> drive to replace the Kalok with. Will any MFM 20mb drive work? For
>>> example Kyocera KC020, Miniscribe m8425 or Western General WD362.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, you can use all these disks- provided that your controller is
>> ok.
>> I'm testing these MFM hard disks on my old 80486 IBM AT with an
>> Adaptec ACB
>> 2310 MFM controller card.
>> But: You have to know how to perform a low level format on the SUN
>> controller first!
>>
>>
>>
>>> Or even better, does an adaptor exist for MFM to IDE? I couldn't
>>> find
>>> one by doing an internet search.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> No, there is no such adapter- as far as I know.
>> Choose the IDEFile instead- it's offering full future Widget
>> compatibility
>> as is fully Profile compatible (5 MB and 10MB).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> However, for the life of the machine, I still believe the IDEfile is
>>> the best option for the future. I should start thinking seriously
>>> about this option, otherwise 7/7 will be lost to my machine for
>>> ever.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I'll recommend you this controller- it's really great!
>>
>>
>> Helmut
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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