I have just started playing around with this
myself. It's really interesting stuff!
BEGIN IMPORTANT WARNING
This installation supplies the ToolKit static
libraries TKLIB.OBJ and TK2LIB.OBJ. In so doing, though,
it overwrites your workshop's INTRINSIC.LIB file.
I'm pretty sure that this is because the
INTRINSIC.LIB file supplied by the ToolKit does not
account for a new intrinsic library (think shared
library, or DLL) installed by the 3.9 update, and since
the 3.9 workshop shell depends on this new library, it
can't run. So the Lisa reboots.
My workaround was to boot another instance of the
Workshop from another disk, then repeat the 3.9 update
installation on the disk where I had installed the
ToolKit. Things seem to work now.
When I did the original, ill-fated ToolKit install on
top of 3.9, the Workshop didn't die immediately. You might be
able to get away with starting with a fresh 3.9,
installing the ToolKit, then immediately installing the
3.9 update again. I don't know if this will work,
though, and luckily for me, I had another disk with the
Workshop installed that I could boot for the repair.
END WARNING
The ToolKit disks have a lot of interesting example
programs on them. I was planning to copy them all off of
my Lisa this Saturday and put them somewhere where they
could be viewed online. If I do, I'll let you know.
BEGIN SLIGHTLY LESS IMPORTANT WARNING
It seems to me that our dear old Lisas may be
susceptible to their own version of "
DLL Hell", in that there doesn't seem to be
any framework in place for managing the versioning of
various libraries. During my installation mix-up, I
noticed that TKLIB.OBJ and TK2LIB.OBJ on my messed-up
disk were about a month older and a third larger than
those same libraries on my "rescue" disk.
I'm not sure why these libraries should have changed
so much in a month. My hypothesis is the following:
Messed-up disk: full version of the ToolKit
libraries, as installed from by the ToolKit installation
disks, with all the built-in hooks for debugging, etc.
(The debugging stuff is pretty cool---see the manuals on
bitsavers.)
Rescue disk: stripped-down version of the ToolKit
libraries, containing mostly what's necessary to build
QuickPort programs.
END WARNING
--Tom
On Friday, October 24, 2014 9:53:11 AM UTC-4, Chandra
wrote:
I think it would be a lot of fun just
writing a simple 'hello world' type of program and
running it on lisa.
It would interesting to see the differences in
today's programming vs. Lisa in 1982. Yes, I am
geek :-)
-Chandra
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at
9:48 AM,
<lincol...@gmail.com>
wrote:
David,
Thanks for taking the time to write such an
informative response and point me to these
resources. If I am able to produce something,
I will definitely make a post about it here.
I'm glad that the documentation and disk
images still exist, tracking down resources
for older platforms can be quite challenging.
On Thursday, October 23, 2014 6:01:10 PM
UTC-4, DAVID T CRAIG wrote:
Hello
Lincoln,
Developing Apple Lisa desktop tools
requires the APPLE LISA TOOLKIT.
Documentation and disk images for this may
be found at:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/apple/lisa/toolkit_3.0/
The Lisa Workshop development environment
is needed for Toolkit development. The
toolkit is based on an extended version of
the Pascal language called Clascal which
added object-oriented programming to the
Apple Lisa Pascal language. Clascal is
documented in the above Bitsavers.org web
site. I used the Toolkit long ago and
found it very powerful, but you have to
read a lot to understand what you need to
know given the object libraries are rather
extensive. Apple provides a very good
introduction to Clascal.
I have attached 2 articles about the
Toolkit and Clascal which may be useful.
Some other Lisa stuff is also provided
that may interest you too.
Apple also provided what was called QUICK
PORT that allowed you to create programs
for the Office System Desktop environment,
but Quick Port was not as versatile as the
Toolkit. But Quick Port was easier to use
if your program's desktop requirements
were not extensive. I also believe Quick
Port did not provide access to the Toolkit
libraries. I recall Quick Port was
documented in the Lisa Operating System
reference manual set (3 volumes).
I've also BCCed one of the Lisa Toolkit's
authors in case he has anything to add or
correct any mistakes here.
Hope this helps. If you actually produce a
Lisa Toolkit tool please let me and this
LisaList know.
Regards,
David Craig
===
On October 23, 2014, at 12:08
PM, lincol...@gmail.com
wrote:
> I'm interested in learning about what
it would take to write a Lisa application
that would actually be recognized by and
run inside the Office System instead of
the Programmer's Workshop. I've read some
documentation, and see in an old notice to
potential third-party developers, Apple
mentioned the future existence of an
"Application Developer's Toolkit" that
would allow this, due to be available in
late 1983. Did this product ever actually
get released?
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