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monstrosity
« on: October 04, 2021, 05:07:01 pm »
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2021, 07:37:21 pm »
Very very very nice!  8)
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2021, 07:41:12 pm »
@compu_85 - so the next thing you need to do is load up DONKEY.BAS and run that - if I recall (in)correctly, that's the last program billyg wrote himself.

https://blog.codinghorror.com/bill-gates-and-donkey-bas/
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2021, 10:56:28 am »
I saw this post yesterday.  Been-there, done-that a long time ago.  I personally have been using SoftPC on my Lisa's since 1994.   I even have had made lot of tweeks to make this work better. 

1. I use a version of SoftPC called "Entry Level SoftPC", this version is optimized for 68000 ( not 68020 +) based systems. 
2.  I made a special font called DOS13 that is a 13 point font to run full screen on a screen mod Lisa at full resolution.
3. I had James add a special option to the MacWorks+II Keypad control to add extra keys needed that the stock Lisa does not have.  This remaps the clear key on the num pad to be a needed key using SoftPC.
4.  Under MW+II with the 18Mhz XLerator this runs quite well, runs as fast as a real PC-AT if I remember correctly.

I can provide more info if folks are interested. 
Rick
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2021, 11:01:34 am »
Running Donkey would be a nicely bad piece of software to run in SoftPC.

Rick, do you happen to remember what version of MW+II that was in? I've got 2.5.0 Pro.

I'll have to try Entry Level SoftPC and see if it runs any faster. SPC 3.0 is quite slow on my 16mhz "XL".

I promise, no permanent harm will come to the Lisa as part of this exercise!!

-J
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2021, 11:36:09 am »
Quote from: compu_85 on October 05, 2021, 11:01:34 am
Rick, do you happen to remember what version of MW+II that was in? I've got 2.5.0 Pro.
At work right now...I will post more info on my setup later tonight.
Rick
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2021, 12:19:14 pm »
Quote from: compu_85 on October 05, 2021, 11:01:34 am
Running Donkey would be a nicely bad piece of software to run in SoftPC.

Exactly the point. ;)
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2021, 12:21:22 pm »
Quote from: compu_85 on October 05, 2021, 11:01:34 am
Running Donkey would be a nicely bad piece of software to run in SoftPC.

Exactly the point. ;)


Quote from: compu_85 on October 05, 2021, 11:01:34 am
I promise, no permanent harm will come to the Lisa as part of this exercise!!

Other than this poor Lisa will feel dirty and slimy from having had to do run PC software. Be sure to give it a thorough cleaning afterwards.
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2021, 10:09:49 pm »
OK, Here is Donkey.
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2021, 10:11:22 pm »
She does run faster than an PCXT..
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2021, 10:15:36 pm »
I am running MW+II 2.5.3.  This is the keypad CP, note I had James add the "use option as Ctrl" buttons many many years ago.  Otherwise it's impossible to get a control key as SoftPC thinks this is MacPlus keyboard with an "=" key on the numpad. 

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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2021, 10:21:35 pm »
Quote from: rayarachelian on October 05, 2021, 12:21:22 pm
Other than this poor Lisa will feel dirty and slimy from having had to do run PC software. Be sure to give it a thorough cleaning afterwards.

Note that the Lisa System Overview brochure dated Jan 1984 specifically states that MS-DOS will be available in the (future) !

I just wanted you to know that it is now the future and MS-DOS is running on a Lisa....

Rick

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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2021, 10:45:10 pm »
That is interesting, I wonder what they had in mind. Expansion slot co-processor card maybe? or MSFT porting MS-DOS to 68000?
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2021, 01:19:00 am »
Quote from: rayarachelian on October 05, 2021, 10:45:10 pm
That is interesting, I wonder what they had in mind. Expansion slot co-processor card maybe? or MSFT porting MS-DOS to 68000?

I'm sure it would have been an 8088 expansion card given DOS was written entirely in x86 assembly which would have been a pain to port to pure 68000 assembly. Then you'd have to deal with applications targeting x86 vs 68000, something they'd find out the hard way with ports of NT for x86, PowerPC, Alpha, MIPS R4000 and none of them being able to run programs for the other architecture... Not like today where our computers are so powerful we can just brute force emulate/translate like Rosetta and SysWOW64 on ARM Windows!
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Re: monstrosity
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2021, 11:43:54 am »
Quote from: blusnowkitty on October 06, 2021, 01:19:00 am
I'm sure it would have been an 8088 expansion card given DOS was written entirely in x86 assembly which would have been a pain to port to pure 68000 assembly....
True, but at the time Microsoft was no slave to x86.  They had 8080 (Z80), 6502, 8086 (8088), and 6809 versions of Basic.  I am sure if the marketed had demanded it a 68000 version MS-DOS was possible, especially considering CP/M 68K was already a thing.

Point is that unlike the Macintosh, the Lisa was designed to support multiple operating systems.  ( Yet running MacOS on Lisa seems to get no love.. )

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