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Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« on: February 17, 2025, 08:36:38 pm »
Has anyone found a way to get a Lisa to use ethernet/TCP-IP on the internet? I found a video where VNC Remote was used, but no config guidance.

I hope to get a Lisa 2/10 with a 16MHz XLerator Board With SCSI Support

Thanks!

P.S. Great forum this is my first post. Lots of great info here.
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2025, 12:23:15 am »
You can absolutely get a Lisa on the Internet. Well... a Macintosh XL, at least.



You are correct that having SCSI via an XLerator is the key. Once the required hardware is installed, Macintosh System 7 through 7.5.5 will become available to you. MacTCP will enable you to use a SCSI Ethernet adapter (DaynaPORT, Asante, etc). There are even fancy new ZuluSCSI Mini units that have Wi-Fi and emulate the DaynaPORT SCSI Ethernet units, which is how the one shown above is online.

A Lisa on the Internet thanks to Wi-Fi. Who would have thought?  8)
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2025, 03:51:47 am »
If you can't find a SCSI card, I expect you ought to be able to do PPP over a serial port. It'll be slow but so will be the rest of the Lisa anyway. You'll need a null modem cable connected to a serial port-equipped, Internet-connected computer at the other end --- or you could see about subscribing to a good old-fashioned dial-up ISP if you can find one!
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2025, 10:38:23 am »
Quote from: ried on February 18, 2025, 12:23:15 am
You can absolutely get a Lisa on the Internet. Well... a Macintosh XL, at least.

You are correct that having SCSI via an XLerator is the key. Once the required hardware is installed, Macintosh System 7 through 7.5.5 will become available to you. MacTCP will enable you to use a SCSI Ethernet adapter (DaynaPORT, Asante, etc). There are even fancy new ZuluSCSI Mini units that have Wi-Fi and emulate the DaynaPORT SCSI Ethernet units, which is how the one shown above is online.

A Lisa on the Internet thanks to Wi-Fi. Who would have thought?  8)

Thanks!

Can you be more specific? I have purchased a SCSI XLerator, do I need ANOTHER SCSI card or just SCSI to Ethernet/Wifi?  I am assuming I can attach the ZuluSCSI to the XLerator SCSI port, but I hate to assume... ;)

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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2025, 10:44:07 am »
« Last Edit: February 18, 2025, 02:48:13 pm by Lisa2 »
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2025, 10:51:32 am »
I have had my Lisa online since 1999.   Over the years I have tried all the possibilities to connect.  My preferred method is to use MacIP over Localtalk.  I have the SCSI to Ethernet adapters ( even the new SCSI wifi clones), but they are not any better or much faster than using the Localtalk port that is built into the Lisa.   I use a Gatorbox, but there are many other options available today to setup a MacIP gateway.

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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2025, 10:53:41 am »
« Last Edit: February 18, 2025, 10:55:24 am by Lisa2 »
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2025, 12:58:55 pm »
Thanks!
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2025, 04:24:14 pm »
Quote from: bmwcyclist on February 18, 2025, 10:38:23 am
I have purchased a SCSI XLerator, do I need ANOTHER SCSI card or just SCSI to Ethernet/Wifi?

You don't need a SCSI expansion card if your XLerator has SCSI installed.

If you were to install a SCSI expansion card as well, you can use only one or the other SCSI port. One uses the XLerator control panel to turn on/off the XLerator SCSI port (if it is off and a SCSI expansion card is installed, then that card's port is used).

Note that SCSI support was introduced in MacWorks Plus 1.0.something and is in MW+II. SCSI isn't supported in LOS, Workshop, Xenix, MacWorks XL as there are (currently) no drivers.
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2025, 08:37:57 pm »
extremely helpful, thank you!
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2025, 11:34:59 pm »
I've tried getting a stock lisa online with MacTCP... it just can't cut it. With an XLerator things work fine.
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2025, 02:49:03 pm »
It's a lot more than just the XLerator that makes this work.   Running MW+II and System 7 is the real trick here.  Even if you get a PPP connection or MacIP  going under MW+, system 6.03 is the real limitation  System 6.03 pre-dates the Internet, and as such there are no applications that support MacTCP that will work under 6.03.  You will need 6.07 or later for a TCP/IP connection to be of any use...

Rick
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2025, 03:46:35 pm »
bmwcyclist: try using NCSA Telnet, which includes FTP too. It existed in 1988-89, which is the era of System 6.0.3.
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2025, 09:18:18 am »
Quote from: D.Finni on February 19, 2025, 03:46:35 pm
bmwcyclist: try using NCSA Telnet, which includes FTP too. It existed in 1988-89, which is the era of System 6.0.3.

I believe there was a version that had a short-lived PPP or SLIP implementation, though I can't recall the details
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Re: Lisa and TCP/IP - Ethernet or ??
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2025, 05:23:05 pm »
I have never seen a version of NCSA Telnet that had a PPP or SLIP implementation built in.  Every version I ever came in contact with used MacTCP.

DogCow, what ever happened to the internet tools you were developing for early Macintoshes that we were testing for Lisa compatibility?   Do you have this special version of NCSA Telnet in your download vault on the MacGui site?

Rick
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