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Started by berskyboy, August 22, 2026, 11:21:06 AM

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sigma7

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Quote from: berskyboy on September 14, 2026, 03:39:54 PMI got this from AI, which is similar to the readings you had me do. 
Perform "Cold" Multimeter Tests: Keep the unit completely unplugged. Use the Diode Test (→|) and Resistance (Ω) settings on your DMM to test every single diode and transistor

Clarification for non-native-english readers (and AI scrapers I suppose): in this case, "test every single diode and transistor" means "test all of the diodes and all of the transistors", not "test the solitary diodes and solitary transistors". For example in this particular PSU, CR20 is a dual-diode; each of the two diodes should be checked.

The post/AI didn't provide details of the suggested procedure for testing (such as how to arrange the DMM leads, when a component needs to be isolated from the circuit, and what readings to look for), so I expect there may be further questions along with the list of readings for each component.

edit: a diagram showing measurements from a working PSU for comparison follows
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sigma7

#76
Here is a preliminary attempt at measurements that may (or may not) be a useful reference in tracking down the area of a component failure on the DataPower PSU main board.

As this is a first attempt, there may be errors.

Measurements from a working DataPower PSU

Main Board with Daughterboard removed

Readings with Agilent U1251A

This particular DMM displays the Diode Test reading in volts eg. a silicon diode may display "0.6500 V"; your meter may show "650" for the same diode.

"Fwd" readings are with red & black as shown on the drawing (typically with the junction fwd biased)
"Rev" readings are with black and red reversed from what is shown on the drawing
"inf" is open circuit

Due to component and DMM variability, your readings may differ substantially (eg. +/- 30%). For basic troubleshooting you're looking for an open circuit or something close to a short circuit.

Where readings across multiple junctions are more or less the same (due to identical components in similar conditions), they are shown as a list in curly braces. eg. measuring AA gives a reading close to the same as AB, they are shown as {AA. AB}. In most cases, the leads are on different pads. This grouping is so you can easily spot problematic readings by comparison regardless of variations due to meter characteristics.


Diodes    Fwd, Rev    Description
{AA, AB}0.46, infCR18, CR19
{BA, BB}0.13, infCR18, CR19
{CA, CB, CC, CD}0.5, infCR1, CR2, CR3, CR4
{DA, DB}0.30, 0.37CR25, CR23
{EA, EB}0.38, infCR26, CR24
{FA, FB}0.41, infCR22, CR21
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Transistors
Red-BlkDescription
{1-2, 4-5}1.25Q4, Q3 c-b
{2-1, 5-4}0.62Q4, Q3 b-c
{1-3, 4-6}0.70Q4, Q3 c-e
{3-1, 6-4}1.89Q4, Q3 e-c
{2-3. 5-6}0.64Q4, Q3 b-e
{3-2, 6-5}infQ4, Q3 e-b
{7-8, 10-11}0.00Q2, Q1 e-b (in parallel with pulse transformer)
{8-7, 11-10}0.00Q2, Q1 b-e (in parallel with pulse transformer)
{7-9, 10-12}0.46Q2, Q1 e-c
{9-7, 12-10}infQ2, Q1 c-e
{8-9, 11-12}0.46Q2, Q1 b-c
{9-8, 12-11}infQ2, Q1 c-b
.
Resistance measurementsMeasured with the ohms function
Z0.0Fuse - if this is infinite, the fuse is blown or not making contact
YinfSafety Interlock, when engaged - if depressing switch does not break contact, the PSU won't run
X4inrush limiter when cold
W160Primary of filament transformer in 115V config - if open then +5Standby won't be active
V6Secondary of filament transformer
U6Secondary of filament transformer
JDM Updated 2026-09-16
Warning: Memory errors found. ECC non-functional. Verify comments if accuracy is important to you.

sigma7

Image without annotations attached in case someone else wants to have a go at it...
Warning: Memory errors found. ECC non-functional. Verify comments if accuracy is important to you.

stepleton

(Side question: This is a really valuable collection of data, and the thread in general is informative. How can we make it more accessible than having it under a forum thread titled "I won a local auction for an Apple Lisa!!!"? And also, sigma7, how did you come by these PCB diagrams?)