Re: Lisa keyboard needed, and VintageMicros

From: Adam Rosen <adam_at_email.domain.hidden>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:59:25 -0400

Chandra -

I know John has helped many people on this list, and will continue to do so. He asked (nee, taunted) me to publicize this encounter, and I resisted knowning that's he a valued resource to many people. Indeed, it seems he's one of the few people who carry such parts at all.

Sadly, his business model does appear based on your observation:

> if your desperate enough and have the cash he must be selling them
> to well heeled folks.

I'm not desperate, and I'm not extremely well heeled. So you are correct, I'm being patient... :)

Thank you all for your suggestions, this list is a very valuable resource.

On Sep 28, 2009, at 8:21 AM, chandra bajpai wrote:

> I've got to come to John's defense here....He was more than helpful
> when I got my first Lisa 2/10 and then my Lisa-1. He walked me
> through figuring out the problem and helping me readjust the CRT
> pots so the display would work properly.
> I do agree that a $279 price for a keyboard is crazy, but if your
> desperate enough and have the cash he must be selling them to well
> heeled folks. I suggest being patient and wait until one comes up
> for auction.
> -Chandra
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Adam Rosen <adam_at_email.domain.hidden> wrote:
> Thanks Peter, I'll check out, Looks useful, I've been
> searching many cities individually.
> Several list readers have mentioned John Woodall at VintageMicros on
> eBay. I am aware of his current and previous listings. Complete Lisa
> systems (working and/or not) often sell on eBay for around $300. As
> such the economics of selling just the keyboard for $279 don't make
> sense. I know parts cost more purchased individually than as part of
> a system, but within reason! This item is being sought for the
> Vintage Mac Museum, a personal Mac collection running on limited
> funds.
> <rant on>
> I contacted John some months ago about some broken keyboards he had
> listed, and asked if he had any price flexibility. I received a curt
> response telling me to go elsewhere if I didn't like what he was
> asking. A bit miffed, I complained. That resulted in several
> extremely unprofessional responses from John, who has no sympathy for
> the (apparently) hundreds of people a day who ask him for price
> breaks. He wants to ban me from ever bidding on his items, and he
> suggested I post of my experience in a "losergroup" (his term -
> something such as this list, I presume) to get sympathy.
> I'm not looking for sympathy, and I have resisted posting this
> experience publicly until now because John is a valued resource in
> this field, is known to many people on this list, and I'm sure has
> helped many of you out. Thus his name and company understandably keep
> getting suggested. However by mutual agreement, he and I will not be
> doing business together.
> <rant off>
> Caveat Emptor, I suppose. Especially when dealing with Professional
> eBay Sellers. And so, I'm still looking for a keyboard...
> Adam
> On Sep 28, 2009, at 1:32 AM, Peter wrote:
> >
> > Vintagemicros is listing them on Ebay for $279.
> >
> > I've found two of my Lisa systems on Craigslist, both complete
> > with keyboards and mice, but the units themselves are non-
> > functional.
> > I recommend using where you can search many
> > Criagslist sites at the same time (and then beg people to ship them
> > to you).
> >
> > >
> >

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