Apple soap box

From: Nord, Al <Norda_at_email.domain.hidden>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:43:47 -0500

If Apple cared that much about the Lisa computers they and Sun Data would not have hired bulldozers to drive over piles of Lisa computers in a landfill in Logan Utah many years ago. I have a picture that was in the local paper there. I went to the Apple authorized Lisa repair school in Minneapolis Minnesota before the Lisa's introduction. Both the class and I sat is awe watching the instructor operate the Lisa in the classroom. During the class demo he had a software glitch and was able to by pressing a sequence of keyswitches bring the Lisa program into monitor and retype the software command. I told Larry Pina about that experience before Larry wrote his book on the MacIntosh computer series. Apple dropped the ball on the Lisa and part of the problem was the high cost of any of the Lisa software and having their serial number stored in a prom on the logic board to prevent illegal copying of the software. I repaired one Lisa and forgot about swapping that prom and had to get Apple to return the prom off of the board. The customers Lisa sat in my repair area for 2 weeks while waiting for that prom. You think the customer was happy about that ? Nope. When the Mac plus was introduced that was the death of the Lisa I am sure. I attended an Apple dealers school again in Minneapolis and was able to buy a brand new Mac Plus for $1000.00 and a Imagewriter 2 for $500.00 direct from Apple shipped to my door. I purchased a single 1 meg simm to upgrade my Mac's memory for $85.00. My Mac Plus ran circles around the Lisa. When I upgraded to the $2500.00 PowerMac 6100 I upgraded that memory with 2 16 meg ram chips for $995.00 from the Chip Merchant. Now you can by the new Mac for under $500.00 Progress...

             Al

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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:07 AM
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Subject: Lisa tech preservation, Alice

There really should be some sort of non-profit organization designed to preserve the Lisa legacy. Lisa stuff is being scattered on Ebay and ends up in various collections or thrown out. Private collections are OK, but it really would be valuable for there to be a museum or some sort of central repository for Lisa tech.

Apple should do more in this area. The company prides itself on innovation, but seems to be content to leave much of its innovation to obscurity, even loss. Maybe there's a secret cache of Apple history somewhere? Is there a reason why Apple would be unwise to open the source code for Lisa's software?

The Mac is pretty well-covered with sites like folklore.org. The Lisa is usually treated as an after-thought, something to mention while writing about the Mac.

The original version of Alice was written for the Lisa. Where is it? Apple's first game was actually a Lisa program. While it wasn't produced for sale, it's hardly unimportant. It would be really cool to see a game running on a Lisa, even if it's slow. I hazily recall that Steve Capps was the person who made the game. I wrote to the guy (Bruce Horn?) who runs folklore.org and he gave me Capps' e-mail, but I didn't get a response when I asked about Alice.

> Hi
>
> Does anyone have Lisa Office System source listings?
>
> I'm trying to find the source listing to such programs as the Lisa
> Desktop Manager ("Lisa Finder" in Mac parlance) or any of the Lisa
> applications such as LisaWrite.
>
> Paper listings are fine. I just want to see how these programs were
> built internally.
>
> I think it would be a shame if such sources disappered since they were

> very innovative.
>
> FYI, I have the source for the Lisa boot ROM and the Lisa programmer's

> ToolKit.
>
> - David Craig
>
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