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Quote from: AlexTheCat123 on November 03, 2026, 03:30:25 AMI'm almost done with the standalone version, which I've been working on for nearly 4 months now, so I'd appreciate it if you'd let me finish that up instead of making your own. That way we don't end up with a bunch of confusion over two devices that do the same thing.

Sorry, I actually thought you were done with your standalone version.  I certainly wasn't planning on trying to jump in front of you with a custom version.  No rush on finishing - for some reason I thought I had seen the standalone version already published on GitHub.

Quote from: wottle on November 02, 2026, 08:22:49 PMI actually am going to try to work on building an ESFloppy standalone for my actual Lisa.  I don't use the floppy drive, and think with an ESFloppy with wifi management, I'd be able to much more easily load new software onto it.  And with the active software development on the Lisa going on right now, I finally have a need to do it.  Great job!

I'm almost done with the standalone version, which I've been working on for nearly 4 months now, so I'd appreciate it if you'd let me finish that up instead of making your own. That way we don't end up with a bunch of confusion over two devices that do the same thing.

Quote from: wottle on November 02, 2026, 08:22:49 PMVery cool.  I'll be looking at your progress and try to pull it into my ESP32 firmware for the external add-on scenario with the LisaFPGA.  As far as I could tell, the ESP32 modules on the LisaFPGA don't support Wifi, so your upgrades won't work on the stock LisaFPGA, but I'm hoping to make it support this functionality with a simple addition of a $20 ESP32 and some wiring.  Unfortunately, I don't know that you'll be able to support my ESFloppy / ESProfile SD card management I added to mine.   It takes advantage of the fact you can power the LisaFPGA without booting the Lisa.  So the ESProfile / ESFloppy are powered on while the Lisa hasn't booted.  So I can manipulate the SD cards while they aren't serving as actual emulated drives.  In a real Lisa, you don't have this mode where the ESProfile would have power, but not be working as a hard drive.  I suppose you might be able to do it with safeguards (e.g. you can never manipulate the profile.image itself).  But with Selector as your profile, you could maybe still offer the ability to upload or remove disk images on the SD card?  More so on the ESFloppy, but the ability to add floppy images over Wifi has been a great usability improvement for me. 

I actually am going to try to work on building an ESFloppy standalone for my actual Lisa.  I don't use the floppy drive, and think with an ESFloppy with wifi management, I'd be able to much more easily load new software onto it.  And with the active software development on the Lisa going on right now, I finally have a need to do it.  Great job!

Wow nice! Yes, wifi software loading would be great. I was doing it tonight but with MacWorks on my AppleTalk network. Publish to my Pi running netatalk then copy to the MacXL. It would be great to do it on the lisa side. The closest I have so far is LISACom.

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LisaFetch 0.1 (test): web text files straight onto the Lisa

LisaFetch is a small Lisa Office System tool that downloads a plain text file from the web and saves it on the Lisa as a Workshop .TEXT file, ready for the Editor or the Pascal compiler. No disk images and no serial transfer program: press G, type the address (a raw GitHub file works well), give it a name, and it's on the Lisa.
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Chris Rupnik asked for it on Facebook, under the ESPFuji announcement on 30 October: he wanted an easy way to get source text files onto a Lisa. LisaFetch was started that day.

It works through an RS-232 FujiNet on Serial B, a LisaFPGA with LisaNet, or an ESProFile running ESPFuji, and the top line says which one it found. Today it passed on my Lisa 2/10 through the ESPFuji ESProFile: a 42-line Pascal exec file arrived in seconds. It asks before replacing a file, and only replaces it once the new copy has arrived whole. Files can be up to 32 KB through ESPFuji; through a serial FujiNet there's no fixed limit. Plain text only.

Test build, free: https://github.com/GyroPilot/Apple-LisaFetch (pre-release v0.1-test). Reports welcome, good or bad.

Very cool.  I'll be looking at your progress and try to pull it into my ESP32 firmware for the external add-on scenario with the LisaFPGA.  As far as I could tell, the ESP32 modules on the LisaFPGA don't support Wifi, so your upgrades won't work on the stock LisaFPGA, but I'm hoping to make it support this functionality with a simple addition of a $20 ESP32 and some wiring.  Unfortunately, I don't know that you'll be able to support my ESFloppy / ESProfile SD card management I added to mine.   It takes advantage of the fact you can power the LisaFPGA without booting the Lisa.  So the ESProfile / ESFloppy are powered on while the Lisa hasn't booted.  So I can manipulate the SD cards while they aren't serving as actual emulated drives.  In a real Lisa, you don't have this mode where the ESProfile would have power, but not be working as a hard drive.  I suppose you might be able to do it with safeguards (e.g. you can never manipulate the profile.image itself).  But with Selector as your profile, you could maybe still offer the ability to upload or remove disk images on the SD card?  More so on the ESFloppy, but the ability to add floppy images over Wifi has been a great usability improvement for me. 

I actually am going to try to work on building an ESFloppy standalone for my actual Lisa.  I don't use the floppy drive, and think with an ESFloppy with wifi management, I'd be able to much more easily load new software onto it.  And with the active software development on the Lisa going on right now, I finally have a need to do it.  Great job!

Nice! I can't wait to try it!

Do you mind if I include it on my next "game pack" disk image?

I created a Mille Bornes card game for Lisa.  https://github.com/wottle/LisaMiles

I just took out the chip and will put a IC Socket but I wanted to see what I need to fix for my traces, and if I need some jumper wires.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r4yvw5suqukk743096xae/IMG_4213.jpeg?rlkey=sllkjv6k48uzj65j0jneflmaw&st=ku1zfgbh&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5ypvuvtqe06ut4fhipsju/IMG_4214.jpeg?rlkey=0yxlk8nba1d9s0uhkubg60r6g&st=vgdvok9t&dl=0

Here's an YouTube Video

I did a continuity test, which matches a known good chips

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YHyCjWwFuY4

This was the website that I used to try and piggy pack and now desolder and put in a new chip.

https://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2011-04-02-fixing-lisa-memory-cards.htm

I bought this on Amazon,

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B082FMHB8G?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

and it beeps when I put it in and gives the checkered screen

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/7qvb7sf109y2ogthg9bdb/IMG_4208.jpeg?rlkey=pp80rcsjxdffii1w4cesl7ipd&st=eexwt6xp&dl=0

black arrows point to no conductivity (but seems to match other pins on other chips)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/v0gmisbvq8g7n1hb48j38/IMG_4207.jpeg?rlkey=johw3ip0ua33umk0qi3zps9yl&st=flv474rs&dl=0

new chip (I put in before I read your post, but I can take it out and put in IC socket)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/udasvw1ldexl6zkv071fr/IMG_4198.jpeg?rlkey=s4e504ha17lwagzohia7axocq&st=w8wbx23r&dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/2q4ow98nm5mhc28zuonud/IMG_4197.jpeg?rlkey=3ovmpupfwgr5rofmgeg3rqtj4&st=kb05mjpj&dl=0