Re: Free IBM AT

From: Chris M <chrism3667_at_email.domain.hidden>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:15:22 -0800 (PST)


Im sure some of those stories would prove very interesting. How about publishing memoirs ;)? What could be said, and this will seem in stark contrast to my prior rambling, is that the AT was THE machine for its time. The Lisa was the machine for ANOTHER time. No doubt some of its features were borrowed from other pioneers if you will. But perhaps the hubris you spoke of was what was required to see outside the box. But as so often is the case, the market wont always support innovation.
--- lisalist_at_email.domain.hidden
<Justaname_at_email.domain.hidden> wrote:
> My opinion as an Apple employee at the time (79 to
86 in MIS) supports
>
> your opinion. It was just plain hubris that John
Couch's team thought
>
> they knew what people needed (not what they wanted).
 I just don't have
>
> the energy to regale the list with stories from
meetings with Lisa
> development staff. Don't misunderstand. These were
very bright and
> hardworking people. We had all be blinded to some
degree by our
> successes. We just thought we could do it all and
do it alone. We
> didn't get it.
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2006, at 8:59 PM, sauersr_at_email.domain.hidden
wrote:
>
> > It's truly a shame that the Lisa wasn't a success.
If Apple had had
> > better
> > management, perhaps the company's primary platform
would have had
> > protected memory. It would have given Apple more
credibility and saved
> > users from a lot of pain.
> >
> > The Lisa's failure in the market doesn't diminish
the excellence of so
> > much of its design. It just makes it sad to
contemplate what the
> > platform
> > could have become, had it been extended.
> >
> >
> >
> >> my apologies. I thought this was a classiccmp.org
mail
> >> list post. Neither can be distinguised from the
other
> >> unless you look at the headers. And I didn't
expect to
> >> see a PEECEE offered on this one! Please
disregard my
> >> earlier message...*yikes*
> >>
> >> --- Chris M <chrism3667_at_email.domain.hidden> wrote:
> >>
> >>> yeah, especially if you had bough either new.
The
> >>> Lisa
> >>> was a flop, cost twice as much as an AT (at
least),
> >>> and the AT was a huge success (not knocking
Lisa's
> >>> though - I own one of each :).
> >>>
> >>> --- Jerome Vernet <vernet.jerome_at_email.domain.hidden>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Le 23 fvr. 06, 18:50, Jason Perkins a crit
:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I don't know if you guys are into collecting
> >>>> vintage PCs at all, but I
> >>>>> just got a free IBM AT that I simply don't
have
> >>>> the time to mess with
> >>>>> or room to store. It's got 512k of ram, a 286
> >>> (w/
> >>>> the co proc I think,
> >>>>> I'll have to look), a VGA card of that
vintage,
> >>>> and a 20M Seagate disk
> >>>>> (not a Computer Memories unit :( ), and the
> >>> usual
> >>>> 5 1/2" disk. The
> >>>>> case is in very nice shape, the front plastic
is
> >>>> not faded.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can send you pictures if you like. It's all
> >>>> original.. I would like
> >>>>> to keep it, but I really need to do some
> >>> invatory
> >>>> reduction.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Lisa and IBM PC AT...Both famous historicals
> >>> systems
> >>>> ;). I have both of
> >>>> them, it's really a pity to compare them !
> >>>>
> >>>> Apart the weight, may be ;)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jerome
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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