Re: Question about 1 vs 2

From: Philip Lord <philip_at_email.domain.hidden>
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:30:26 +0900

As my HD is non functional at present, I was wondering if anyone has a bootable disk image that they could email me and I can continue testing my lisa with?

Or even better does anyone know where I can download a bootable disk image?

Cheers

Phil

On Oct 6, 2005, at 12:18 PM, Philip Lord wrote:

> Thanks again for the insights.
>
> I have done a little more testing:
>
> - Error 57 with Parallel cable plugged in (rear port)
> - Will not attempt to boot from floppy with parallel cable
> unplugged (from rear), but no error 57. Waits on 'insert floppy'
> prompt. Does not see floppy
> - With all internal cables unplugged from HD, floppy will attempt
> to boot. However it is ejected very quickly. I assume It can not
> find the system on the disc (I can not confirm 100% if I actually
> have a bootable floppy)
>
> As Tom mentioned, I think these could all be symptoms of bad power,
> bad drive or bad drive controller board.
> And as jerry mentioned, this setup was working (as is) a few years
> back, so It is very unlikely to be a ROM version problem, or
> mismatched parts ...will investigate further.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil
>
> On Oct 5, 2005, at 5:07 PM, macmoni wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Philip,
>>
>> short answers again :-)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ...has what looks like a Sun Rem 20 meg HD installed internally
>>> with a cable...
>>>
>>>
>> definiteley a later-on upgraded Lisa. Very likely not by Apple !
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Can I boot from a floppy without a keyboard and mouse???
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, of course; no problem. But then you can't do some further
>> tests - without mouse or keyboard...
>> To shut down the Lisa again, you will have to push the start
>> button again and wait some seconds until you hear a "clack" and
>> the screen will get dark.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 'If' the floppy works then I can assume the Sun Rem HD, or HD
>>> controller card is bad. Would I be correct?
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, or this Sun Remarketing HD interferes with the Lite-Adapter
>> or the ROM on the IO Board, as I wrote in my last email yesterday.
>> Or the whole configuration consumes so much power, that your
>> (still built in) 1.2 A power supply isn't able to feed :-)
>> Or somebody interchanged the IO Board. You cannot run every type
>> of IO-Boards in a Lisa, when you want to use a HardDisk
>> (especially the early Boards).
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ...mouse is a M0100... the same as the Mac 128/512k's mouse.
>>> However the connector on the back of the lisa does not look like
>>> the connector on the original Macs...
>>>
>>>
>> There were three kinds of mice available:
>>
>> The first ones for Lisa (and for Apple II with Mouse Card in the
>> expansion slot). Characteristic was the plastic connector which
>> could be described as an rectangle with round corners and the
>> upper side of the rectangle was additional 3mm spared out.
>> The second mouse (chronological) was the Mac 1984 mouse (later
>> renamed Mac 128k). The connector is much bigger, cause it now has
>> two screws with huge knobs. The Pins are the same, so it will fit
>> like the first mouse.
>>
>> The third mouse has a much smaller connector again, but the two
>> scres remained, although they are not so big (smaller diameter)
>>
>> All these three types of mice will fit in the connector-plug of a
>> Lisa.
>> I had a Prototype of a Lisa 1, which had a connector, which only
>> supports the mouse 1, cause there was this rectangle "nose" on top
>> of the connector of the motherboard.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On the occasions when the power supply works, the monitor will
>>> occasionally shift of flicker very slightly, this movement seems
>>> rhythmically timed
>>>
>>>
>> interesting !
>> I never saw this before. Chaotic, yes, but predictable, cause
>> rhytmically...
>> What time periods?
>>
>>
>>> with a quiet hissing noise from the PSU. I'm waiting for a 1.8
>>> amp PSU to arrive soon.
>>>
>>>
>> That's better, in deed !
>>
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