Re: How to backup X-profile & IDEfile compact flash cards

Well, it seems that I was able to use testdisk with no obvious problem (however I still need to test it by making a new card from the image). Thanks.
I am however curious how you made your RAW file for UNIPLUS to be 10mb?
I'm assuming that you didn't make this from a X/Profile CF card, but rather from an emulator image. Am I correct? All my images are, as you mentioned, about the size of the card's themselves, and consist largely of areas with data (about 512 bytes) followed by areas with no data (again about 512 bytes)...this pattern then repeats. IDEfile images are also similar in places. Is this because of some redundancy that X/Profile and IDEfile uses when writing to the card?
I read about this on the IDEfile web page:

"IDE drives have a sector size of 512 bytes while a ProFile block has 532 bytes. To avoid the time-consuming calculation of LBA and sector offset for each block number, IDEfile was designed to support block sizes of up to 1024 bytes. Now each block starts at a sector boundary, and the LBA ist just two times the block number (or from the microcontroller's point of view, the block number shifted left one bit). Therefore the space required on the hard disk is two times the nominal volume size. Of course this approach "wastes" a certain amount of disk space, but with today's hard drive sizes that should be acceptable.
IDEfile does not care about the number of bytes sent or read by the host, as long as it is below 1024 bytes."

Your 10mb UNIPLUS image does not exhibit this pattern.

One strange thing is that my images MOSTLY exhibit this pattern, however there are some areas where the data does not actually follow this pattern...
...Ok, so just before posting this message I decided to checked the code again, these larger areas of code actually seem to be stuff that was left over on the cards and were not erased when X/Profile or Lisa formated the cards. I actually came across some text that looked very much like some of my old emails with my old email address embedded!!!!
I was actually going to share all my images as I have virgin installs of Pascal, Cobol, Xenix, Basic, Lisa OS 2, Lisa OS 3.2, Mac OS 6.0.1 and MAC OS 7.0.8) but now I'm not going to do that until I fix this problem. I certainly don't want people reading my old emails!!!! Maybe I'll just go into the hex-editor and wipe these areas with 00's.

Phil

On Apr 7, 10:20 pm, gilles <gilles.fe..._at_email.domain.hidden> wrote:
> in diskimage you can handle the whole disk or the partitions.
> An Xprofile as only a minimal partition (that helps window not to
> format it immediatly) then raw data out of partition table.
> What is the size of your raw copy? and what is the capacity of your
> CF? it should be nearly the same...
>
> You may also try testdisk tool to do the backup.
>
> On 7 avr, 13:52, Nama <forums6..._at_email.domain.hidden> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Unfortunately I don't have my Lisa with me as it is in storage, so I
> > won't actually be able to test it.
>
> > So when I save the .raw file, I think I'm only saving the readme text
> > files that are automatically made when formatting the cards with x/
> > profile. These readme files read:
>
> >   ************************
> >   *                      *
> >   *   CAUTION...         *
> >   *                      *
> >   ************************
>
> >   This media is encoded in a proprietary format.
>
> >   This format is used by an X/ProFile.
>
> >   The X/ProFile is a disk interface for an Apple Lisa, Apple ][ or
> > Apple /// computer.
>
> >   Do not reformat this volume or the X/ProFile volume will be lost.
>
> >   For more information, go to
>
> >  http://www.SigmaSevenSystems.com/xprofile
>
> >   ************************
>
> >  Diskimage does not seem to be able to see the part of the CF card
> > that actually holds the code. I had a look at your '10Mb Profile image
> > for Uniplus' and it looks vastly different from .raw files I'm
> > creating. In fact I cant even see any of the readme code in your file
> > when viewed in a hex editor.
> > I also tried to see if I could get one of my IDEfile CF cards to copy
> > but Diskimage (or the WIndows system) couldn't even see that a card
> > was there, so it was also not able to be copied. I believe my machine
> > just is not seeing the part of the CF cards (in X/profile proprietary
> > format) that needs to be copied.
>
> > I can't think what I can be doing wrong.
>
> > Phil
>
> > On Apr 7, 6:28 pm, gilles <gilles.fe..._at_email.domain.hidden> wrote:
>
> > > mmm, it should not be truncated...
> > > try to save the whole device and write it again on an empty CF of same
> > > capacity to test.
>
> > > On 7 avr, 11:21, Nama <forums6..._at_email.domain.hidden> wrote:
>
> > > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > > I actually have no idea what defining parameters means, or how to do
> > > > it!!!! Any advice how to do this under win2000?
>
> > > > I downloaded diskimage, and have been saving my CF's as raw files.
> > > > When saving as a RAW file I get the prompt which ask if I want to save
> > > > a truncated file...I'm assuming I say 'yes' here.
>
> > > > Phil
>
> > > > On Apr 7, 5:36 pm, gilles <gilles.fe..._at_email.domain.hidden> wrote:
>
> > > > > you need to define parameters to use the tool but you also need
> > > > > something to do the backup. xprofile_tool works on disk raw images,
> > > > > not on real devices.
>
> > > > > Under windows, I use diskimage :http://www.dubaron.com/diskimage/
> > > > > Under linux (and maybe also macosX) you should have command line 'dd'
>
> > > > > To do the backup/restore, you only need diskimage. If you want to use
> > > > > your image on emulators (or install OS under emulator and run on real
> > > > > hardware) then use my tool in complement.
>
> > > > > On 7 avr, 09:59, Nama <forums6..._at_email.domain.hidden> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Yes..I tried that. I get the message:
>
> > > > > > ABORT: NOT ENOUGH PARAMETERS
>
> > > > > > On Apr 7, 4:01 pm, barana <baran..._at_email.domain.hidden> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Apr 7, 4:13 pm, Nama <forums6..._at_email.domain.hidden> wrote:> Hi all,
> > > > > > > > How would I make backup copies of my X-profile and IDEfile compact
> > > > > > > > flash cards in case the cards die or are accidentally erased. I would
> > > > > > > > like to be able to back them up, with the option to then copy the
> > > > > > > > contents back to CF again.
> > > > > > > > I do not necessarily need these backup images to work on an emulator,
> > > > > > > > but if I can, it would be nice.
>
> > > > > > > > I had a look at xprofile_tool.exe, but I can not get it to launch on
> > > > > > > > my win2000 laptop, and as I am not a windows guy (use Mac's) I'm not
> > > > > > > > sure how to get it working.
>
> > > > > > > > Any advise would be appreciated.
>
> > > > > > > > Phil
>
> > > > > > > Have you tried launching it via the windows cli?

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