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Lisa Tank Problem

Started by blusnowkitty, May 05, 2021, 05:55:01 PM

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ried

Here is a European Lisa 1 that was upgraded to Lisa 2 spec, for reference.

Model A6SB100P - Memory A6SB108.
"Assembled in Ireland"

B08B832640254
00106121
83264

Pictures: https://imgur.com/a/U4Zfs9R
eBay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/156013277663

compu_85

From fri0701's post:

Quote from: fri0701 on August 28, 2022, 11:02:01 AM
I've been working with LisaEm and BLU a bit over the last few days...

Just found an AppleNet conflict with their system with one at CHM: https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102638272

B08B831250030    00102092   83125    2/5      
A3356088            00102092   3356   2/5   A6S0300      CHM

I also noticed a huge overlap in the Applenets at the Texas plant on Nov 18 1983 and Oct 26 1984 (A friday..)

The 1983 AppleNets range from 00107325 to at least 00107435
The 1984 AppleNets range from 00107203 to at least 00107772

So there's at least 110 AppleNets that are overlapped.

Perhaps with some more work we can spot all these overlaps and remove them from the calculation? Perhaps plotting out the "address space" of each factory at each day would be a good place to start.

PS: Something magic happened on June 6th, 1984 at the Texas factory. The system SNs and AppleNets aligned :) SN A4158122 AppleNet 00104122, 4158108 00104108, A4158066 00104066...

-J

ried

Another one to add to the sheet:

Model A6SB100 - Memory A6SB108.

B08B831970575
00103924
83197



compu_85

Quote from: ried on January 24, 2024, 07:29:56 PM
Another one to add to the sheet...

Is this a 2/5? Is the memory config on a red sticker?

ried

#94
Quote from: compu_85 on January 24, 2024, 08:03:41 PM
Quote from: ried on January 24, 2024, 07:29:56 PM
Another one to add to the sheet...

Is this a 2/5? Is the memory config on a red sticker?

Lisa 1


ried

Another for the spreadsheet.

Model: A6S0300
Memory Option: A6S0304
Serial number: A3356182
Applenet number: 00102186
Manufactured: 3356

andrew

#96
Here's my Lisa 2/10:

Model: A6S0200
Memory Option: A6S0204
Serial No: A4304335
Applenet No: 00108229
Manufactured: 4304
:)

compu_85

Looking at the list I noticed something else: I think normal 2/10 production, and machines being marked as 2/5 (Model A6S0300) happened on the same day, the 159th day of 1983 (Wednesday June 8th).

fri0701

Quote from: compu_85 on March 06, 2024, 09:13:25 PM
Looking at the list I noticed something else: I think normal 2/10 production, and machines being marked as 2/5 (Model A6S0300) happened on the same day, the 159th day of 1983 (Wednesday June 8th).

Not to burst your bubble, but here's an outlier to your theory:
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/apple-lisa-powers-repair-parts-1831538189
It's an A6S0300, but produced on the 125th day of 1983.

compu_85

Good catch. That one was already on the tracking sheet, but I didn't see it on the incomplete data tab. Interesting it's such an early 2/5 build.


blusnowkitty

Interesting observation I noticed... For a long time it's been cited the total number of Lisas manufactured was around 100,000, but our tracking sheet has only managed to estimate about 10,000. RRAuction now cites the lower 10,000 number; was that said in Greelish's documentary or has someone over at RRAuction been paying attention to us?

https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/348390406984046-apple-lisa-2-computer-set-with-keyboard-lisa-1-mouse-original-boxes-and-profile-hard-drive/?cat=0
https://www.rrauction.com/auctions/lot-detail/349076606984050-apple-lisa-computer-with-twiggy-drives-profile-hard-drive-software-manuals-and-printer/?cat=0
You haven't lived until you've heard the sound of a Sony 400k drive.

jamesdenton

Here's a neat one that showed up on Facebook today:

Model: A6S0300
Memory Option: A6S0304
Serial No: A3000012
Applenet No: 00103034
Manufactured: 3000

gonerill

#102
Here's mine:

Model: A6S0200
Memory option: A6S0204
Serial No: A4159377
Applenet No: 00105220
Manufactured: 4159


compu_85

Quote from: blusnowkitty on July 31, 2024, 01:57:27 PM
Interesting observation I noticed... For a long time it's been cited the total number of Lisas manufactured was around 100,000, but our tracking sheet has only managed to estimate about 10,000.

Our "tank problem" math is way off because a ton of applenets got reused.

FWIW, I basically trust the 90,000 number.

On those SNs just posted, can you note if they're a 2/5 or 2/10?

-J

jamesdenton

Quote from: compu_85 on August 30, 2024, 07:30:13 PM

On those SNs just posted, can you note if they're a 2/5 or 2/10?

-J

A3000012 appears to be a 2/5, but that manufacturing date is interesting.